Mr. Jones
7 years ago
#1... Was hard to read...and stay focused...half the megdata, marketing and computer terms were only invented in the last five years...

I am a dinosaur....

But..."snub whitey" sure could deliver samsonites full-0-cash...
"ON SCHEDULE, ON TIME, RIGHT PLACE AND ....
IN F.U.L.L." for the DNC....BARELY ANY COMPUTERS BACK THEN...OR FOCUS GROUPS...
deadeyedick
7 years ago
If any voters were swayed by trolls on social media sites it seems we got what we deserved.
Gene363
7 years ago
I read through the report and they point the finger at BLM, including accounts, but nothing specific is mentioned about conservatives or the support of Trump, it all inferences or did I miss something?
dstieger
7 years ago
What?

Not sure what you're looking for Gene.

I only posted because I was quite amazed at the sophistication and effort put forth. Cbid is about as much as I do social media (I look at FB about once a week, if that.) And I never imagined the Ttolls', persistence, reach and ability to probably influence. It's startling to me, and I'm a huge skeptic. I think that some sort of abridged version should be required reading before anybody shares anything on FB or retweets any Twitter stuff. This should be a pop-up reconfirm anytime someone wants to 'share':
https://me.me/i/now-son-do-you-know-what-you-did-wrong-yes-2587387 
Gene363
7 years ago

What?

Not sure what you're looking for Gene.

I only posted because I was quite amazed at the sophistication and effort put forth. Cbid is about as much as I do social media (I look at FB about once a week, if that.) And I never imagined the Ttolls', persistence, reach and ability to probably influence. It's startling to me, and I'm a huge skeptic. I think that some sort of abridged version should be required reading before anybody shares anything on FB or retweets any Twitter stuff. This should be a pop-up reconfirm anytime someone wants to 'share':
https://me.me/i/now-son-do-you-know-what-you-did-wrong-yes-2587387 

dstieger wrote:



I just noted the difference of evidence. Yes, that is a lot if shenanigans , however, done by Google, Microsoft, FB etc, it's called marketing. It's also a technologically current version of what the USA has done in other countries. Not an excuse, just history, e.g., in Guatemala.
delta1
7 years ago
have we become so partisan that we are willing to accept foreign hostile nation's interference in our elections as a way of life? Just because we did/do similar things? Do our interests really align with Russia's that we will tolerate a Presidential campaign (the highest office/most powerful in the world) that accepts their help?

I submit that the con's laissez faire attitude towards this development would be quite different if the outside influence had helped Hillary....

my read is that there are sheep on both sides of the political divide, easily swayed by disinformation and fake news...lies designed to discourage and dissuade some voters (blacks) and to motivate and encourage others (older whites)...stuff that our own campaigns do, only less blatant and over the lines in some ways because our norms don't allow that stuff out in the open...except on social media where anything goes and the unbelievable is unchallenged and believed by willing sheeple...

It seems Instagram was the platform that was most effective (more than 276 Million "engagements")...imagine that...memes get more attention, just like bumper stickers in the past...

the real takeaway: collectively, we are a lazy nation full of Barnum and Bailey dupes...who need active vigilance on the part of our protective services to sustain our independent democracy...
Gene363
7 years ago

have we become so partisan that we are willing to accept foreign hostile nation's interference in our elections as a way of life? Just because we did/do similar things? Do our interests really align with Russia's that we will tolerate a Presidential campaign (the highest office/most powerful in the world) that accepts their help?

I submit that the con's laissez faire attitude towards this development would be quite different if the outside influence had helped Hillary....

my read is that there are sheep on both sides of the political divide, easily swayed by disinformation and fake news...lies designed to discourage and dissuade some voters (blacks) and to motivate and encourage others (older whites)...stuff that our own campaigns do, only less blatant and over the lines in some ways because our norms don't allow that stuff out in the open...except on social media where anything goes and the unbelievable is unchallenged and believed by willing sheeple...

It seems Instagram was the platform that was most effective (more than 276 Million "engagements")...imagine that...memes get more attention, just like bumper stickers in the past...

the real takeaway: collectively, we are a lazy nation full of Barnum and Bailey dupes...who need active vigilance on the part of our protective services to sustain our independent democracy...

delta1 wrote:



So then you've changed your mind, especially political positions, from reading posts here?

H.L. Mencken is credited with saying something like:

“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”
delta1
7 years ago
a few times...ask Drafter...did I get trolled?

are there Russian trolls lurking in CBidland? I don't do Facebook anymore, never did Twitter or Instagram, don't know if my myspace account is still open, though, feeding fake news into my cell-phone....

we'll never be able to measure the effectiveness of the Russian campaign...but an honest look at the numbers in the closest states: Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, shows black voting rates way down...those are the states that turned the election Trump's way...but he also campaigned heavily there, so who knows...

regardless, I do not want any other country to ever have a say in our elections and want that as a national security priority...
Abrignac
7 years ago
It’s not so much that we as a nation are willing to accept interference, I suspect we’ve grown weary of those who politicize the process of investigating the end result. Case in point is Mueller‘s investigation. We now know behind a doubt that one of the agents who interviewed Flynn most definitely had an agenda. Comey has gone on record about how he preyed on Trumps disorganized administrative to go off the reservation with Flynn. Apparently, the FISA warrant was based largely on opposition research for the democratically.

**** like that divides a nation. When we are divided Russia benefits.
Gene363
7 years ago

a few times...ask Drafter...did I get trolled?

are there Russian trolls lurking in CBidland? I don't do Facebook anymore, never did Twitter or Instagram, don't know if my myspace account is still open, though, feeding fake news into my cell-phone....

we'll never be able to measure the effectiveness of the Russian campaign...but an honest look at the numbers in the closest states: Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, shows black voting rates way down...those are the states that turned the election Trump's way...but he also campaigned heavily there, so who knows...

regardless, I do not want any other country to ever have a say in our elections and want that as a national security priority...

delta1 wrote:



Nor do I, undermining democracy, something the Russians want to do, is a real problem. For the same reason not resolving the issue over voter disenfranchisement Vs voter ID is a very serious issue, not a political football.
delta1
7 years ago

It’s not so much that we as a nation are willing to accept interference, I suspect we’ve grown weary of those who politicize the process of investigating the end result. Case in point is Mueller‘s investigation. We now know behind a doubt that one of the agents who interviewed Flynn most definitely had an agenda. Comey has gone on record about how he preyed on Trumps disorganized administrative to go off the reservation with Flynn. Apparently, the FISA warrant was based largely on opposition research for the democratically.

**** like that divides a nation. When we are divided Russia benefits.

Abrignac wrote:



the con narrative that Flynn was entrapped by an over-zealous FBI was laid bare by his own attorney in open court today. He said "no your honor" when the judge asked him if he was entrapped by the FBI. Flynn was raked over the coals by the judge for his very serious crimes, saying "you sold your country out."

He is only getting a break because he has provided key evidence to the Mueller investigation into the Trump/Russian investigation.

Since when did we start taking the side of a convicted perjurer/foreign agent over the FBI...
Gene363
7 years ago

the con narrative that Flynn was entrapped by an over-zealous FBI was laid bare by his own attorney in open court today. He said "no your honor" when the judge asked him if he was entrapped by the FBI. Flynn was raked over the coals by the judge for his very serious crimes, saying "you sold your country out."

He is only getting a break because he has provided key evidence to the Mueller investigation into the Trump/Russian investigation.

Since when did we start taking the side of a convicted perjurer/foreign agent over the FBI...

delta1 wrote:



You are proving Abrignac's point.=;
Abrignac
7 years ago

the con narrative that Flynn was entrapped by an over-zealous FBI was laid bare by his own attorney in open court today. He said "no your honor" when the judge asked him if he was entrapped by the FBI. Flynn was raked over the coals by the judge for his very serious crimes, saying "you sold your country out."

He is only getting a break because he has provided key evidence to the Mueller investigation into the Trump/Russian investigation.

Since when did we start taking the side of a convicted perjurer/foreign agent over the FBI...

delta1 wrote:




Thank Al. You made my point.
Speyside
7 years ago
This is not a conservative issue, or for that matter a liberal issue. It is an American issue. We have been attacked by a foreign power. It should be treated as such. Going forward there should be repercussions for Russia. It needs to be stopped.
delta1
7 years ago
#32 and #33...

if you believe I've made Abrignac's point, then you have not read my entire post and put it in the context of Abrignac's post above, #29.

He believes that the Mueller investigation is dividing the country and that there are some indices of impropriety. His first allegation is that one of the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn had an agenda. This ignores the numerous other FBI agents who interviewed Flynn and /or worked on the case. And the agent with the agenda didn't prepare the case nor did he work with the prosecutors who brought the case to court. Every law enforcement agency is made up of humans, some of whom make mistakes or have improper motives. But that doesn't mean the entire agency should be dismissed...just the bad apple...

His second assertion is that Comey preyed upon Trump's disorganized administration to go off the reservation on Flynn. This sounds like Abrignac believes the FBI improperly investigated and prosecuted Flynn. Flynn admitted he committed serious crimes in court today, and the FBI would be remiss if they failed to investigate a crime of that magnitude with the very public evidence in front of them.



"Since when did we start taking the side of a convicted perjurer/foreign agent over the FBI..."

I posted this to ask why the cons dragged the FBI's case against Flynn through the mud in the days before his sentencing. The answer is "Trump". Trump is the one who is at the center of all these investigations, and has the most to lose when his past colleagues testify against him. He has consistently put out lies after lies as more and more evidence is revealed. The con argument that Flynn was ambushed came directly from Trump and his advisers. He is muddying the waters, trying to win the case in the court of public opinion.

After all the instances where Trump has been shown to be a liar about events that led to criminal prosecutions and guilty pleas by his underlings, it's remarkable that Trump still has supporters who buys his schtick of attacking the investigators, attacking the flippers, attacking the prosecutors, attacking the judge and attacking the media who report these events factually.

Something really historic happened during the presidential campaign, and we should all want to know the truth about it. Flynn was involved and was a participant. He also committed some serious crimes along the way and lied about it. He only has value if he can provide evidence about the events that happened during the campaign, some of which may be criminal. By cooperating with the FBI, Flynn can avoid lawful prison time. I don't hold him in higher regard than the totality of the FBI or the SCO investigating the Russian involvement in our election.

Partisanship may have something to do with how we all view these investigations...but truth has no party identification... and the quest for truth is greater than either party...
frankj1
7 years ago
Abrignac
7 years ago
Re: 35

I don’t disagree with you. But, you still missed the point of #33. Simply put, the foundation on which the Mueller case was built began as a partisan endeavor. Think fruit of the poisoned tree. It’s not that anyone is flippant regarding foreign intervention, it’s the cynicism brought forth by the action of those who have an agenda.

I as much as anyone want this investigated. Hell, we might learn some useful tactics. But, it needs to be done for the nation as a whole, not just to benefit the left or the right.

There once was a time when members on the left and the right worked together for a common goal. That is pretty much nonexistent today. As a result, Congressional approval ratings suck because there little left besides gridlock.

Btw, I’m neither a Republican or a con. My voter registration card has the exact same party affiliation today as it had when I received it in 1983: No Party. In the last election I voted for Democratic and Republican candidates. I vote my conscience, period.
Abrignac
7 years ago
BTW, I don’t think I’ve condemned the FBI as a whole. By and large, the rank and file do important jobs and serve with honor and distinction. On the other hand, it’s perfectly honorable to call out questionable actions of persons involved. In fact, isn’t that the purpose of an investigation?
bgz
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7 years ago
Russian trolls are a good thing, they cause discord, and discord makes news entertaining.
delta1
7 years ago
let's see now...

the left/libs want the Mueller investigation to get to the truth...and believe that something bad happened and the POTUS may have played a part...the investigation thus far has proven that something bad happened and several people involved at the top of the POTUS's campaign have pled guilty and sit in prison...

the right /cons believe this is a fixed investigation...

Regardless of the final outcome, Trump has already won...
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