tailgater
7 years ago

I'll take it that cons believe the border security problems outweigh infrastructure problems...preferring to spend money on a wall but ignore potentially deadly infrastructure problems ...like bridge collapses that could kill hundreds...or dam failures that could wipe out whole towns of Americans...


does anybody know the number of people killed due to infrastructure failure compared to those killed by illegal immigrants?

delta1 wrote:



I'll take it that dems believe that supporting illegals outweighs infrastructure problems...preferring to spend money on thieves but ignore potentially deadly infrastructure problems...like bridge collapses that could kill hundreds... or dam failures that could wipe out whole towns of Americans who are here legally...


DrafterX
7 years ago
Preaching to the choir brother.. cept I want steel slats.. that will create a chit load of jobs... I wasn't really fond of a concrete wall myself... 😟
tailgater
7 years ago
Barrier.
It's a barrier.
Remember: compromise.


Gene363
7 years ago

I agree.
But I feel that way about most of the budget.

Fire half the federal employees.
Abolish public unions.
Eliminate long term social services for all able bodied Americans.
Eliminate all social programs for anyone here illegal. All. Every last scrap.

Put the wall money towards our veterans.

Reduce. Cut. Eliminate. Rinse and repeat.

The last 3 weeks should prove that we can cut our federal workforce in half and not even notice.

tailgater wrote:



+1 =d> =d> =d>
frankj1
7 years ago
don't encourage him!
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Speyside
7 years ago
Delta offered a specific compromise. It has nothing to do with building a wall, or for that matter securing the Southern border in any capacity. What you think should happen doesn't change what Delta said. I get it that this would not be an acceptable compromise for many. But you can't change the meaning of what he said. Your statements show a complete lack of comprehension of what Delta said. It is idiotic to post the definition of compromise. It doesn't change what the compromise Delta offered is. You should have learned comprehension of the English language at this level in grade school.
Gene363
7 years ago

Delta offered a specific compromise. It has nothing to do with building a wall, or for that matter securing the Southern border in any capacity. What you think should happen doesn't change what Delta said. I get it that this would not be an acceptable compromise for many. But you can't change the meaning of what he said. Your statements show a complete lack of comprehension of what Delta said. It is idiotic to post the definition of compromise. It doesn't change what the compromise Delta offered is. You should have learned comprehension of the English language at this level in grade school.

Speyside wrote:



Nor can you change the meaning, it's an alternative not a compromise, the latter requires concessions for both sides to be a compromise. You can't offer a truckload of ice cream to a firefighter needing 10,000 gallons of water and call it a compromise.
DrafterX
7 years ago
It all comes down to votes.. buying votes really..
😟
rfenst
7 years ago
How much you selling them for?
Speyside
7 years ago
Actually you could. The fire fighter would probably be angry because it would be a worthless compromise that would not work. But now I understand your point. Deltas compromise is to fix infrastructure instead of border security. You don't see this as a compromise. I see it as an unacceptable compromise. So we are disagreeing over semantics.
Speyside
7 years ago
BTW, I think that we need a comprehensive securing of the border. A wall where a wall is needed, electronic measures where they are needed, more manpower where that is needed, more planes and helicopters if they are needed. I want to see the best solution implemented. Most of all we have to take away the monetary incentive for them to come here. Perhaps the compromise would be a modern immigration policy with appropriate funding so as potential immigrants don't have to wait years for a decision.
rfenst
7 years ago

BTW, I think that we need a comprehensive securing of the border. A wall where a wall is needed, electronic measures where they are needed, more manpower where that is needed, more planes and helicopters if they are needed. I want to see the best solution implemented. Most of all we have to take away the monetary incentive for them to come here. Perhaps the compromise would be a modern immigration policy with appropriate funding so as potential immigrants don't have to wait years for a decision.

Speyside wrote:



Why not take a hard look at what Israel's fencing and walls look like before comitting to any sum?
DrafterX
7 years ago
Road construction crews are already busy around here the past couple years.... They've rebuilt 2 bridges and countless miles of highway just on my drive to work... 😟
DrafterX
7 years ago
Around 30 unaccompanied minors were smuggled into the U.S. after tunneling beneath the border wall near San Luis, Arizona on Monday together with a group of over 300 Central American migrants who then surrendered themselves to the Border Patrol.


The tunnels – a few feet long – were reportedly dug by smugglers under the steel border fence, letting hundreds of supposed asylum seekers enter the U.S, according to the Customs and Border Protection.

The migrants shortly surrendered to the authorities and requested asylum. The agency said that 179 of the record 376 people who crossed the border illegally were children, with over 30 of them being unaccompanied minors.

This Monday, Jan. 14, 2019 photo released by U.S. Customs and Border Protection shows some of 376 Central Americans the Border Patrol says it arrested in southwest Arizona, the vast majority of them families, who used short holes dug under a barrier to cross the border in multiple spots about 10 miles east of San Luis, Ariz. The unusually large group was almost entirely from Guatemala.


The group is believed to be the largest one yet to cross the border in a bid to get asylum in the U.S. The agency noted that smugglers often try to transport large groups of people and instruct them to cross the border and voluntarily surrender.

“In my 30 years with the Border Patrol, I have not been part of arresting a group of 376 people,” CBP Yuma Border Sector Chief Anthony Porvaznik told ABC News. “That’s really unheard of.”

In the case of this particular group, since most of the migrants were with their parents, they are supposed to be released into the U.S. while they wait for the government to process their asylum applications – a law many say only encourages illegal immigration.

The Trump administration previously tried to implement a new rule that would ban migrants from requesting asylum if they illegally cross the border in a bid to encourage applying to asylum outside the U.S.

The policy was shot down by a federal judge in November following uproar from Democrats and civil rights organizations.

Film at 11... 😟



Rocket dogs would have prevented this... 😟
Gene363
7 years ago

Actually you could. The fire fighter would probably be angry because it would be a worthless compromise that would not work. But now I understand your point. Deltas compromise is to fix infrastructure instead of border security. You don't see this as a compromise. I see it as an unacceptable compromise. So we are disagreeing over semantics.

Speyside wrote:



Well yeah, but what's the fun in agreeing? 😂

That said, I agree with you, it is unacceptable compromise. We do disparately need infrastructure improvements but I would prefer to see them done for the most part by private industry, not the government. Even with the inevitable fraud and abuse it will cost less than having the government do the work.
Gene363
7 years ago

Why not take a hard look at what Israel's fencing and walls look like before comitting to any sum?

rfenst wrote:



Yes! Just add a network of seismographs to detect tunneling, something the Israelis likely have, but do not discuss publicly. Concrete is maintenance free and not susceptible to a cutting torch as a steel barrier.
Speyside
7 years ago
I enjoy our none agreement as well. Though I suspect my viewpoint on border security is not a liberal one.
Speyside
7 years ago
Robert, a sensible idea as usual.
Gene363
7 years ago

I enjoy our none agreement as well. Though I suspect my viewpoint on border security is not a liberal one.

Speyside wrote:



It is not liberal or conservative, but as long as Trump wants border security it will not be favored by liberals. There are ample examples of democrats advocating the wall in years past. Clearly they do not care about the USA, just opposing Trump and the republicans are not better. . IMO, both parties want the free flow of cheap labor and the further benefit that comes with a flood of cheap labor, lower wages for all. In the last few years they both promised security after amnesty and other goodies, but never followed thru on security. I'll probably never forgive Lindsey Graham for calling anyone that opposed his and GWB's proposal for border security after amnesty BS. Clearly neither party has any moral high ground and I cheerfully invite them to go to hell.
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