tailgater
7 years ago

so, I don't think that is what you mean.
words have meaning and create/limit thoughts, feelings, and opinions... and pro-life people have made inroads in sticking the negative attachments of murder by renaming pro-choice people "pro-abortion".
Subtle but effective thought changing inside one's mind...like calling lies alternative facts.

I am strongly pro-choice. I'm personally against abortion.
I would choose not to abort if it was up to me, but it would not be up to me.
Just don't think I could live with it, but I have no say in what others do.

I wish sex education was out in the open and knowledge of birth control treated as normally as teaching how to balance a checkbook.

Forget pro-life and pro-choice. The big goal should be pro-pregnancy prevention.

frankj1 wrote:



It's becoming more and more difficult to believe that those who push the pro-choice agenda are not literally pro-abortion.
Easier access.
No father approval.
No parental approval for underage.
"free"
And now we've got the ability to abort right up to the delivery.


I agree with what you say, and I would NEVER want abortion to be illegal or inaccessible. But we need to stop calling it a "choice" and start treating it like what it is: a decision with consequences.
tailgater
7 years ago

I have a solution we can all agree on...


Mandatory abortions.

Only exceptions to be granted by myself.

And I'm not likely to grant many exceptions...



Can we all agree this is the best solution?

victor809 wrote:



In the US only? Or worldwide? What about the sh*t-hole countries? Will North Korea acquiesce?

We need more detail.
victor809
7 years ago
victor809
7 years ago
Does tail actually believe there is "abortions right up to the delivery"?

I have trouble believing anyone bought that load of horse swill.... But then it is tail....
tailgater
7 years ago

Does tail actually believe there is "abortions right up to the delivery"?

I have trouble believing anyone bought that load of horse swill.... But then it is tail....

victor809 wrote:



Third term abortions are a real thing.

My niece just had her baby at 29 weeks.

Even you might be able to do that math.







JadeRose
7 years ago

Third term abortions are a real thing.



tailgater wrote:




Ok..I'm in. Please give us an example of a late term abortion that was performed just because the woman didn't want the baby. Not where the Mother was in imminent danger or some screed written in some nonsense right wing bull$hit website. A REAL example.
bgz
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7 years ago

Have you read the spin on it?
Allowing an abuser to "force" an incest rape victim to get an abortion would destroy the evidence of the incestuous rape and therefore it's good to force her to have the kid.


Fking idiotic.

victor809 wrote:



Pretty sure you can get a dna test to determine the rapist from an aborted fetus.

So ya... pretty idiotic.
delta1
7 years ago
ya, most states don't allow abortions after the 21-25 week, second trimester, or some point where the fetus is "viable" outside the womb...

any third trimester "late term"/"post viability" abortions are not by choice, but must be for medical necessity for the mother or some extreme fetal abnormality...only one percent of all abortions occur post viability/after the 24th week...
frankj1
7 years ago
Pretty sure banning abortions hasn't lowered the rate at which they occur.
It may actually cause the deaths of x number of women however.

Pretty sure greater access to birth control lowers the abortion rate.
tailgater
7 years ago

Ok..I'm in. Please give us an example of a late term abortion that was performed just because the woman didn't want the baby. Not where the Mother was in imminent danger or some screed written in some nonsense right wing bull$hit website. A REAL example.

JadeRose wrote:



That's rich.
Abortions have traditionally been legalized and performed within the first two trimesters.
Laws weren't changed to accommodate mothers in danger.
Laws were changed to prove how killing the unborn is simply a choice. One that the woman is free to make. At any time until the baby is born.

My niece very recently gave birth at 29 weeks.
Are you trying to say that no abortions are ever performed past 29 weeks other than when the mother is in danger?

Don't be such a main stream media driven troll.

How could I possibly know what the woman wants when an abortion is performed?
But I do find it telling that you call the pregnant woman "mother".
Last I heard, to be a mother you must have a child. I'm glad you consider the unborn child a real person, even though you won't admit it in mixed company.




tailgater
7 years ago

Pretty sure banning abortions hasn't lowered the rate at which they occur.
It may actually cause the deaths of x number of women however.

Pretty sure greater access to birth control lowers the abortion rate.

frankj1 wrote:




What does "greater access to birth control" mean?
Who doesn't have "access"?

The stats I've seen show that abortion rates are higher in many of the states where "access to birth control" shouldn't be an issue.

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortion-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D 


Don't misunderstand me. I not against "access" to birth control.
I'd just like to know what people mean when they say it, because the numbers don't seem to support that notion.

frankj1
7 years ago
Without doing any research at all, I figure not everyone has a CVS down the street, and not everyone who is sexually active is old enough to purchase?
Many of those spending time and money to prevent legal and safe abortion are the same people determined to kill funding for the places that provide not just birth control but counseling as well.

frankj1
7 years ago
1 minute of research (and there are more sites)
https://powertodecide.org/what-we-do/access/access-birth-control 

high rating from Charity Navigator (whoever that is)
MACS
7 years ago
I'm Pro-Choice. I disagree with abortion as a means of birth control, but realize it is a necessary evil in some cases.

I'd prefer if the gov't stayed out of the entire process completely. No stupid new laws, and no funding.

Alabama fkd up.
victor809
7 years ago
Tail made a dumb unsupported claim.... Jade called him on it... And his response is to claim Jade is a mainstream media driven troll.

Tail he asked you to provide evidence of your idiotic claim. First do some math to make sure you know how many weeks are in a trimester... Then prove your dumb claim.
DrafterX
7 years ago

whaddya know....I was wrong....it is closer to 8 out of 10 Americans support legal abortions...79% support abortion in some cases or in all cases...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx 

see the third graph...29% of Americans say abortions should be legal in some circumstances and 50% of Americans say abortions should be legal under any circumstance: 50 + 29 = 79%


only 18% of Americans say abortions should be illegal in all cases...

delta1 wrote:





An overwhelming majority was/are against gay marriage too... 😟
tailgater
7 years ago

Without doing any research at all, I figure not everyone has a CVS down the street, and not everyone who is sexually active is old enough to purchase?
Many of those spending time and money to prevent legal and safe abortion are the same people determined to kill funding for the places that provide not just birth control but counseling as well.

frankj1 wrote:



Not everyone has a CVS nearby.
But don't ignore the facts that in Massachusetts (for instance) it's much more likely to have one close by yet abortion rates are higher than they are in many of the states where that CVS isn't.

One could argue that "access" actually increases the abortion rates, but we can agree that this doesn't make any sense.

Stats mean nothing without supporting details. And stats are dangerous tools when wielded incorrectly.

In this case, however, it's clear that "access" isn't the issue.

I don't think we should get too sidetracked here.
Alabama is the subject and their new law is dangerous and wrong.

Let's not cloud it by guessing that access or age to purchase is the culprit when the vast majority of abortions are not performed on these groups.


JadeRose
7 years ago

That's rich.
Abortions have traditionally been legalized and performed within the first two trimesters.
Laws weren't changed to accommodate mothers in danger.
Laws were changed to prove how killing the unborn is simply a choice. One that the woman is free to make. At any time until the baby is born.

My niece very recently gave birth at 29 weeks.
Are you trying to say that no abortions are ever performed past 29 weeks other than when the mother is in danger?

Don't be such a main stream media driven troll.

How could I possibly know what the woman wants when an abortion is performed?
But I do find it telling that you call the pregnant woman "mother".
Last I heard, to be a mother you must have a child. I'm glad you consider the unborn child a real person, even though you won't admit it in mixed company.




tailgater wrote:





This is the most non-answer I've ever seen. Thanks
tailgater
7 years ago
As a side note, I hear it's a good time to invest in the Alabama Coat Hanger company.




























Too soon?
bgz
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  • Herf-A-Holic
7 years ago
You would think the pro-life people would be happy for gay people getting married... they aren't going to be having any abortions.
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