delta1
7 years ago
the founding fathers used a common and universally accepted word for human being: "person" (wonder how many thought that excluded slaves?)...during their time, there was no inkling that an immigrant person would be considered illegal, since those laws were not yet written...

pretty clear in the Constitution...and as practiced for decades when doing the census...count every person...gotta admire the GOP, they keep coming up with all kindsa stuff to maintain their grip on power...mostly wrong, immoral, or illegal and un-Consitutional
victor809
7 years ago

That's the good thing about being president, I can do whatever I want-Barack Obama



https://www.dailysignal.com/2014/02/14/7-times-obama-ignored-law-impose-executive-will/ 

RMAN4443 wrote:



Absolutely none of which are even close to equivalent to defying the supreme court.


And at the level of "executive will" you're whining about, looks like trump is performing those actions at a rate of 3x a week.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-violated-constitution-separation-powers-three-times-1427253 
victor809
7 years ago
et tu delta???

goddamn noobs....
dstieger
7 years ago
Al....you start out like you want to have a conversation...and then....

Q. Do you think that Congressional districting, funds apportionment, and other things that census numbers are used for should be based on totals including illegal immigrants? Yes or no.

I get that a 'yes' could be a valid opinion, but I disagree with it. I think the answer should be 'no', and thus support knowing how many of a given population are here illegally. I do think the question could be substantiated....despite the ill-intent of some.

I think just as nasty a case could be made for left leaning operatives wanting to ensure that illegals are counted, not for apportionment of services, but simply for increased seats....no better, I think
victor809
7 years ago
...I hate you both....
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

Absolutely none of which are even close to equivalent to defying the supreme court.


victor809 wrote:


Which trump hasn't done... He said he was going to and got what he wanted out of it: crying leftists...
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
I stayed on topic...
victor809
7 years ago

I stayed on topic...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



Thank you opel....


..i think....
dstieger
7 years ago

...I hate you both....

victor809 wrote:




not sure how I can view that in any way other than positive

thank you.....my job is done for now
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
In truth, if trump adds to the census the question - any question - that the supreme court has ruled should not be on the census, there's a huge problem... That's the metal detector of checks and balances breaking down and someone's gonna choke to death on a lead-filled wiener...
victor809
7 years ago
That's sort of what I'm getting at.

You're right... he hasn't done anything yet.

But he's saying he will....

do we accept that the moronic potus is a habitual liar?
Or do we assume that he's telling the truth and intends to defy the supreme court?
izonfire
7 years ago

pretty clear in the Constitution...and as practiced for decades when doing the census...count every person...gotta admire the GOP, they keep coming up with all kindsa stuff to maintain their grip on power...mostly wrong, immoral, or illegal and un-Consitutional

delta1 wrote:



Let's not consider the motives of the GOP or the Dems for a minute.

Isn't the whole point of the census to count and categorize every person?
In each and every category? Why would we omit any category?
DrafterX
7 years ago
I heard ICE will be accompanying the census workers next year... 😟
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

That's sort of what I'm getting at.

You're right... he hasn't done anything yet.

But he's saying he will....

do we accept that the moronic potus is a habitual liar?
Or do we assume that he's telling the truth and intends to defy the supreme court?

victor809 wrote:


He's a liar... That's all we elect to political positions in this country... Both sides...

Trump is a different kind of liar in that he's very transparent - honest almost - about his lies... He lies like the villain in a poorly written, poorly acted out movie...

Whether or not you accept that he's a liar is totally your call... I think it's a refreshing change from the dressed-up lies of past administrations, but I never was one for the Hollywood glitz and glamour...
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

Let's not consider the motives of the GOP or the Dems for a minute.

Isn't the whole point of the census to count and categorize every person?
In each and every category? Why would we omit any category?

izonfire wrote:


You mean like 'gay' and 'atheist'? I hear ya... Way easier to round them up if we know where they are...
DrafterX
7 years ago
Those aren't illegal yet... 😟
izonfire
7 years ago

You mean like 'gay' and 'atheist'? I hear ya... Way easier to round them up if we know where they are...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



I thought that's what the parades were for...
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
delta1
7 years ago

Al....you start out like you want to have a conversation...and then....

Q. Do you think that Congressional districting, funds apportionment, and other things that census numbers are used for should be based on totals including illegal immigrants? Yes or no.

I get that a 'yes' could be a valid opinion, but I disagree with it. I think the answer should be 'no', and thus support knowing how many of a given population are here illegally. I do think the question could be substantiated....despite the ill-intent of some.

I think just as nasty a case could be made for left leaning operatives wanting to ensure that illegals are counted, not for apportionment of services, but simply for increased seats....no better, I think

dstieger wrote:



OK, let's put aside illegal immigrants, since we can only guess at their actual numbers...the citizenship question will also be put to legal immigrants too, right?

A reading of the SCOTUS opinion shows that the administration's true intent was to reduce the actual count. Why is that a good idea?
rfenst
7 years ago
Anyone else see a parallel between this and the basis of the Three Fifths Compromise?
Users browsing this topic