izonfire
6 years ago

we work 12 hour shifts, 7 days out of 14. Add vacations and sick days and you have 16 months of actual work..

MACS wrote:



I would kill for that schedule. Seriously, let me know who I have to take out...
Ram27
6 years ago

It all depends on your perspective, I guess. You could chase the dollar and be miserable while doing so... or you could do with less, spend a little less, and be happy sooner. I was happier as a worker bee. The "management" with zero control is frustrating. In the military I could "motivate" the slackers... and reward the hard workers. Not so in the civilian world.

A friend at work told me that 3 more years is really only a year and a half because we work 12 hour shifts, 7 days out of 14. Add vacations and sick days and you have 16 months of actual work.

I'm gonna have that conversation... and I'm gonna weigh my options.

MACS wrote:






Very well stated MAC. I myself would have kept working if wasn't for job change, yet in a way glad situation changed.
Considered options & decided to sell home & join the apartment rental crowd. No more concerns on maintenance issues or major repairs, would have been replacing heating & cooling units. Increase in taxes , utilities.
May eventually look for a part time gig, right now just enjoying life & spending time with family. It is nice not having to be at the mercy of others. Financial adjustment of course but not a major issue.
Again I agree with MAC and wish him well with his decision.


Edit**** Just applied for 3 p/t jobs. [frypan]
delta1
6 years ago

Well, I guess we won't be hearing anymore fun insightful stories from Big Bear.
Thanks fer fucquin that up Delta!

I enjoyed the story, and it was fun hearing from the hairy, reclusive fella...

izonfire wrote:



hah...the follow-up to the story is that the American started up a commercial fishing business in the area where the Mexican lived, and caught so many fish the Mexican had to leave or starve...
tamapatom
6 years ago
Maybe the Mexican didn't fish more because the corrupt local officials would take notice and extort him out of his extra profit. We have "too big to fail".......they have "too small to regulate and tax".
Gene363
6 years ago

Maybe the Mexican didn't fish more because the corrupt local officials would take notice and extort him out of his extra profit. We have "too big to fail".......they have "too small to regulate and tax".

tamapatom wrote:



Exactly, just as they were directed by the local Padrone who wished to retain the status quo.
RMAN4443
6 years ago
I heard the Mexican gave up fishing and crossed the border into 'Merica, and signed up for all the freebies being offered by AOC, Lizzie Warren, Bernie Sanders, et al, and never had to fish for food again.....8-[
izonfire
6 years ago
Well, another pleasant little story dragged right into the schitter.
Sorry Big Bear. Take care of yourself...
frankj1
6 years ago

Well, another pleasant little story dragged right into the schitter.
Sorry Big Bear. Take care of yourself...

izonfire wrote:


too late.
He already left for Mexico.
jespear
6 years ago

I heard the Mexican gave up fishing and crossed the border into 'Merica, and signed up for all the freebies being offered by AOC, Lizzie Warren, Bernie Sanders, et al, and never had to fish for food again.....8-[

RMAN4443 wrote:



DUDE !
NO POLITICS in the . . . . Oh, I'm sorry. For a second there I thought this was the 500 thread. 🤦
streetrod
6 years ago
Everyone is different. I enjoyed working.I always felt I would work until the day I died (after trying retirement 2 times). Tried retirement for the first time at 55, that lasted for about 3 months until I was offered a job I had always wanted. That lasted until my second retirement at 62. That lasted a little longer (6 months). Went back to work until 3 years ago when I had my severe health issues. Now only work a few days a month to help out my former business partner if he needs me.
At this point (72), I want to enjoy whatever time I have left.
8trackdisco
6 years ago
A ton of good stuff within.

Tomorrow night I'll start digging in for questions and clarifications.

You peeps are helpful graybeards.
wvwa34
6 years ago
Great topic 8............ a lot of interesting perspectives......... 5years and out for me,but dont know if I will be able to tolerate myself after 39 years of the same industry!???? Pension,and investment accounts in fair order,BUT???????????????
Gene363
6 years ago
Retirement planning needs to start early with savings. As you get closer you need to be looking at what you have saved and invested for post retirement income.

Note for 62 and older: This may sounds crazy as heck, but in may ways, Medicare is about as good or better than many previous medical plans. Not as good as those I had in previous years, but better than the chiseled down plans many companies turned to in the last few years. I do have a supplemental policy, but it is a high deductible inexpensive plan. If things turn to crap I'll be out about $5k/year. but it's $62/month. Oh, and no matter how much $$$ you've contributed to Medicare over the years, if you make too much they will charge you're more. 🤦

Before I retired I did spreadsheet after spreadsheet, mixed in all the "what if's" and price increases I could think of and took all the worst case scenarios to make my decision. I even sent my proposed budget to my financial guy who is very conservative.

In some ways being retired is less expensive than working, no work related expenses like gasoline, laundry, meals etc. OTHO, you do need a budget so you don't over spend. I'm doing more with the things I have and less acquiring, well, except for some auctions for items made of blue/black steel. 😰

Once I quit I did not want to go back. My wife and I both worked our tails off all our lives, I didn't want a false launch. For me, the planning was like that for a trip to Mars, if you don't have it when you leave, you're not going to get it later. Even after leaving, it took some time to get used to the idea of not having to go to work again. I actually enjoy Mondays and Sunday evening.

dstieger
6 years ago
Greatly appreciate the insight, all.
I'm probably around six years out, and admittedly a bit nervous. I find and run 'retirement calculators' every few months. Done just fine with aggressive 401/IRA's the past 10 years, but things can change in a second, it seems. I know that every book says I need to get more conservative asap, but the allure of possibly retiring sooner and more comfortable is pretty strong.
I also recognize that I should probably be as or more focused on improving my health....but I've gotten comfortable with a certain low level of effort that hasn't failed me ....yet.
Wife has been shopping for retirement home/property for a few years now. She loves it here and can't wait to leave....guess I'm the same way.
I am very thankful for military retired health care....cost and quality are like nothing that can be duplicated anywhere....at least for us. That's a hard benefit to communicate to a young kid...either contemplating enlistment....or reenlistment. But it is huge.
Gene363
6 years ago
I almost forgot, when you decide you actually have enough to retire, print this Dilbert cartoon out and display it prominently.

https://dilbert.com/strip/2010-07-15 

It make working so much more tolerable.
8trackdisco
6 years ago



DO NOT get yourself in a position, after retirement, where you can't work a side job due to SS income limits.

And lastly, take it from me . . . FIXED INCOME SUCKS !

jespear wrote:



The rules will likely change between now and me turning 62. I can imagine fixed income sucks. Cost of living doesn't get cheaper. Home insurance is up about 40% over the last 3 years. Got a new roof 20 years ago. A new one almost three times as much.
8trackdisco
6 years ago

The sooner you retire, the longer you will live.

Get yourself a copy of Dave Ramsey's book, Total Money Makeover.

If your work is the one and only joy in your life retirement might be boring, but there are alternatives, you could teach others or work part time. That said, I prefer having a hobby or hobbies to pursue.

Gene363 wrote:



Years ago I listened to Dave Ramsey, He had a cd series, something like Steps to Financial Freedom. Listened all the way through, applied all the rules- admittedly swapped a couple rules into a different order due to my abhorrence to debt.

I'd have to really find something I would love to want to go back to work after retiring. I don't get bored easy. There are more books, movies and documentaries than I could ever digest.

Have seen many more people outlive their their money, which is sad. Seems like the 1 in 5 people that die before they retire cause a bigger panic. Worked all those years and for what? Nuthin'.

Think that is part of why people retire earlier than they really should.
8trackdisco
6 years ago



Couple points:
If you think you can live debt free in your paid off home you are wrong.
Are you referring to taxes and the cost of upkeep and insurance, or something in addition?

Can you stand your wife and more importantly can she stand you 24/7?
No and No. We give each other a fair amount of space now and will continue to do so. One set of neighbors did NOT take that into account. She's twice as bicthy as she used to be and he just stares through her with resting murder face. Only a matter of time before their house is wrapped in yellow & black tape.


Your health costs are going to continue to go up even if you are in good health generally.
That cost is the one that scares me the most. Love how doctors try to get you on second and third medications. Once they can tip you into the Internal Medicine Mixer, you'll never feel great and they have you on an endless carousel of lab appointments and med checks.

If you plan to move in retirement give it a long trial period before hand. Maybe rent instead of buy for a year?
Are you talking about moving to a different climate or type of housing (home, condo, apt etc.)

Think about your mix of investments and their stability in regards to how long you expect to live.

deadeyedick wrote:



There lies the rub. The bourbon and cigars should be peeling a few years off of the projected longevity. The work stress will likely kill or handicap me in the next few years. It's important to have something to look forward to. Not sure how to mix those investments. Plus SS will be out of money in the next 5-10 years. Have to plan for that to not be there at all.

8trackdisco
6 years ago

The cloud of stupidity with the curse of a very strong work ethic made life difficult. Life has fantastic since retiring.

Gene363 wrote:



That is the combo killing me. I'm hopeful I have now seen Peak Stupidity on the job. There are signs things may be turning around. If it can do a 180 over the next couple years, I could see truly enjoying my work. Retirement could wait.
8trackdisco
6 years ago

o longer liked going to work because I had a terrible boss...last two years of my work-life were miserable and stressful, so I pulled the plug...
I hear you

most days are the same and retired life for me has very little stress...planned outings for fishing, sports events and travel break up the routine...play tennis and walk to keep physically active and somewhat fit...
some days the toughest decision is "which cigar will I smoke tonight?"

delta1 wrote:



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