Formal Impeachment Inquiry... .

rfenst wrote:

Robert, I agree, the recording would be best, but is there a legal remedy to force it's release? As I understand it the law requires the inspector generals report to be forwarded. But mentions nothing about the recorded conversation.

Speyside wrote:

How will this differ from the naddling schifshow that's been in re-runs for the past many months?

dstieger wrote:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-1998-12-18/pdf/CREC-1998-12-18-pt1-PgH11774.pdf

Interesting historical stroll through above document.....

Can you name the speaker of these quotes?

"Mr. Speaker, the
precedents show and the Nation’s leading scholars and historians overwhelm-
ingly agree that impeachment is reserved under the Constitution only for
abuses of presidential power that undermine the structure of functioning of
government or of constitutional liberty. It is not intended as a punish-
ment for crimes but as a protection against the President who would abuse
his powers to make himself a tyrant. That is why Benjamin Franklin called
impeachment a substitute for assassination.............
The effect of impeachment is to overturn the popular will of the voters. We
must not overturn an election and remove a President from office except to
defend our system of government or our constitutional liberties against a
dire threat, and we must not do so without an overwhelming consensus of
the American people. There must never be a narrowly
voted impeachment or an impeachment supported by one of our major political
parties and opposed by another. Such an impeachment will produce divisive-
ness and bitterness in our politics for years to come, and will call into ques-
tion the very legitimacy of our political institutions.
The American people have heard the allegations against the President, and
they overwhelmingly oppose impeaching him. They elected (the) President, they still support him. We have no
right to overturn the considered judgment of the American people.
Mr. Speaker, this is clearly a partisan railroad job....
The American people are watching, and they will not forget. You may have
the votes, you may have the muscle, but you do not have the legitimacy of
a national consensus or of a constitutional imperative. This partisan coup
d’etat will go down in infamy in the history of this Nation."

dstieger wrote:

Axl wrote that man.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

the whistleblower complaint should be released, in its entirety, since that was the document that started this series of events...the whistleblower has also said he'd be willing to speak with the House Intel committee...

Transcripts of Trump's calls don't have much value, given Trump's propensity to sharpie stuff up...nothing the WH releases should be considered trustworthy, due to the POTUS's history of dishonesty...

there may be multiple calls and other behavior that led to the whistleblower complaint, so we should start by examining the complaint...if there aren't recordings, then all witnesses should be required to testify, rather than relying on WH transcripts...

delta1 wrote:

So.....The report from the person who said he heard someone say something should be released. No sense in making judgements based on what was actually said or done. In fact, maybe the guy who said he might have heard something...maybe he also thinks he heard more stuff.... Trump sucks....

dstieger wrote: