Mr. Jones
6 years ago
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El Duche' Donald is really side stepping all protocol in this TURKEY/ KURDISH MESS and USDA OFFICE DEBACLE..

THE KURDS have 10-15 thousand ISIS PRISONERS behind bars...which will all be released when turkey kicks their azzes...

And Trump moved the USDA & several UNDERLING federal agencies from WASHINGTON, D.C. TO KANSAS CITY
IN a 3 month span from announcing to moving...
SCIENTISTS ARE LEAVING IN DROVES, studies and reasearch are gutted, people are retiring instead of moving to Kansas City.
ZRX1200
6 years ago
You think the Kurds are just gonna leave them to be released?

The Kurds are HARD mofos and it’s shameful that we’re abandoning them.
dstieger
6 years ago
Moving fed agencies out of DC is a Yang plank....hmmm

99% of BLM managed land is west of Mississippi....why should their HQ be in DC?

Haven't heard a convincing reason that USDA is better in DC than it would be in KC....except some whiny sounding things, like...Trump didn't ask us nicely....

What research are you talking about? Let 'em walk....hard to believe that any of them are indispensable....you're going to lose a few good ones....just hire a few good replacements

Even when agency HQ buildings are here....many of their almost employees never are.....remote and telework....doesn't matter if your employee is working from home 7 minutes away or 7 hours.

Krazeehorse
6 years ago

Moving fed agencies out of DC is a Yang plank....hmmm

99% of BLM managed land is west of Mississippi....why should their HQ be in DC?

Haven't heard a convincing reason that USDA is better in DC than it would be in KC....except some whiny sounding things, like...Trump didn't ask us nicely....

What research are you talking about? Let 'em walk....hard to believe that any of them are indispensable....you're going to lose a few good ones....just hire a few good replacements

Even when agency HQ buildings are here....many of their almost employees never are.....remote and telework....doesn't matter if your employee is working from home 7 minutes away or 7 hours.

dstieger wrote:



With internet capabilities I don't see much use for metropolitan areas any more. I understand there's manufacturing and shipping logistics to consider but you can tap on a keyboard anywhere.
victor809
6 years ago

Moving fed agencies out of DC is a Yang plank....hmmm

99% of BLM managed land is west of Mississippi....why should their HQ be in DC?

Haven't heard a convincing reason that USDA is better in DC than it would be in KC....except some whiny sounding things, like...Trump didn't ask us nicely....

What research are you talking about? Let 'em walk....hard to believe that any of them are indispensable....you're going to lose a few good ones....just hire a few good replacements

Even when agency HQ buildings are here....many of their almost employees never are.....remote and telework....doesn't matter if your employee is working from home 7 minutes away or 7 hours.

dstieger wrote:



The argument that it doesn't belong in DC isn't a bad one.
But the sudden movement from DC to literally the middle of nowhere (like 2 hours from me) is not to put these agencies closer to the land they manage. It's partially to force a headcount reduction, because if you choose to live in DC, you're not likely to choose to move to Kansas City. I have a number of friends at the USDA who will be out of a job when it moves, as they will not follow the job to KC (some because it's KC, others because when you have 2 spouses working you can't just force the other to move because your job moved).

As for "hiring good replacements".... eh... you can find quality people anywhere... but in a city like DC you will always have more well educated people to choose from than somewhere like KC. The agency will suffer.... and that as well appears intentional.
dstieger
6 years ago

It's partially to force a headcount reduction

victor809 wrote:



And that's a bad thing?

Unions would be extraordinarily effective at blocking any other methods.

This seems to me to be one of those things that will get a knee jerk pissnmoan from anyone opposed to Trump. Doesn't matter whether they'd otherwise agree with sound reasoning backing


victor809
6 years ago

And that's a bad thing?

Unions would be extraordinarily effective at blocking any other methods.

This seems to me to be one of those things that will get a knee jerk pissnmoan from anyone opposed to Trump. Doesn't matter whether they'd otherwise agree with sound reasoning backing


dstieger wrote:


Yes and no.

I generally don't have a problem with headcount reduction anyhwhere. It's quite telling that it's specific agencies that are targeted for this however... it just stacks on the other choices his administration has made which are generally seen as "anti-environment".

I'll admit, if another president who had a different track record with the environment made this choice, I'd say "meh". But he's made it pretty clear that he intends to gut environmental agencies.
Buckwheat
6 years ago

With internet capabilities I don't see much use for metropolitan areas any more. I understand there's manufacturing and shipping logistics to consider but you can tap on a keyboard anywhere.

Krazeehorse wrote:



Try getting an inexpensive, stable, secure and decent connection to the internet in BFE US. It definitely effects the bottom line of doing business. We have an office in Portland, Oregon and they get better "tech services" at half the price as our Kentucky office. 🌫
dstieger
6 years ago

Try getting an inexpensive, stable, secure and decent connection to the internet in BFE US. It definitely effects the bottom line of doing business. We have an office in Portland, Oregon and they get better "tech services" at half the price as our Kentucky office. 🌫

Buckwheat wrote:



I imagine that those KY costs are more than offset by a whole wide range of other costs ---

But I agree -- first prerequisite to any distance work fast reliable connectivity --
USNGunner
6 years ago

As for "hiring good replacements".... eh... you can find quality people anywhere... but in a city like DC you will always have more well educated people to choose from than somewhere like KC. The agency will suffer.... and that as well appears intentional.

victor809 wrote:



You must be from KC making blanket statements like that. The ole anyone from the Midwest is an ignorant hillbilly assumption? 🤦

What a tool.
victor809
6 years ago

You must be from KC making blanket statements like that. The ole anyone from the Midwest is an ignorant hillbilly assumption? 🤦

What a tool.

USNGunner wrote:



?
Dude.... You must be from the midwest you ignorant hillbilly.

My original statement had little to do with "midwest being ignorant". In fact I acknowledged that in KC they would be able to find quality people. But there will be more who meet their requirements in DC. The % of people with advanced degrees in cities like DC is much higher than cities like KC. Additionally, more people with advanced degrees will be willing to relocate to DC than to KC. More people who meet the requirements means more candidates to choose from.

Don't get your panties all twisted.
victor809
6 years ago
In KC 4% of the population has achieved a Masters Degree.... 1% of the population has a Doctorate.
In DC 33% of the population has a Masters Degree.... 7% has a Doctorate.

If you're an agency which needs to employ scientists... which location do you think is more likely to have the candidates you want?
fishinguitarman
6 years ago
Do they meet your criteria and kill their kids?
Krazeehorse
6 years ago
Yeah, nobody in their right mind would relocate to Kansas City. Bwaaaaahahahahahaha.
victor809
6 years ago

Yeah, nobody in their right mind would relocate to Kansas City. Bwaaaaahahahahahaha.

Krazeehorse wrote:



Fewer will than DC. That's all that matters.
tailgater
6 years ago

In KC 4% of the population has achieved a Masters Degree.... 1% of the population has a Doctorate.
In DC 33% of the population has a Masters Degree.... 7% has a Doctorate.

If you're an agency which needs to employ scientists... which location do you think is more likely to have the candidates you want?

victor809 wrote:



Dude.

33% of the population??

I think you're wrong.

It's likely only 33% of people who have a bachelor's or better.

Not a subtle difference.

victor809
6 years ago

Dude.

33% of the population??

I think you're wrong.

It's likely only 33% of people who have a bachelor's or better.

Not a subtle difference.

tailgater wrote:



I looked it up. If I'm wrong then the source material is wrong (I'll admit, I grabbed the first one) but it's the same source site that gave me the KC data.

Remember, DC is a very small area which encompasses a lot of government. It's bordered by the NIH....

https://www.towncharts.com/District-of-Columbia/Education/Washington-city-DC-Education-data.html 

Bachelors is 40% (I'm assuming they mean 40% only achieved a bachelors, and it isn't cumulative)
dstieger
6 years ago
https://www.citylab.com/life/2019/08/education-talent-city-ranking-college-degree-us/596509/ 

Nothing to do with Trump, but this page does a pretty good job of distilling Census educational data geographically. (It has bar charts! 🙂
victor809
6 years ago

https://www.citylab.com/life/2019/08/education-talent-city-ranking-college-degree-us/596509/

Nothing to do with Trump, but this page does a pretty good job of distilling Census educational data geographically. (It has bar charts! :)

dstieger wrote:



It fails to distill down to doctorate, but at least identifies graduate degrees. Regardless, DC is at the top of the list... KC isn't on it (on the up side, it isn't on the "lowest" list either)...

Like I said. They'll be able to find replacements....but they'll be hiring from a much smaller pool of qualified candidates, which means they have to make concessions (ie, hiring less compatible people)
tailgater
6 years ago

I looked it up. If I'm wrong then the source material is wrong (I'll admit, I grabbed the first one) but it's the same source site that gave me the KC data.

Remember, DC is a very small area which encompasses a lot of government. It's bordered by the NIH....

https://www.towncharts.com/District-of-Columbia/Education/Washington-city-DC-Education-data.html 

Bachelors is 40% (I'm assuming they mean 40% only achieved a bachelors, and it isn't cumulative)

victor809 wrote:




It's easy to make these mistakes, but didn't it raise an alarm when you saw 33%?

How could 1 in 3 DC residents have a Masters?

1 in 3 on a college campus probably don't have a masters.

And DC is small, but outside the hallowed grounds of Capital Hill it is also very poor.

The only thing lacking in DC is common sense and the middle class.



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