Brewha
6 years ago
That’s just what he says - he works for the Right, you know...
frankj1
6 years ago
well, I do now...now that the rumors are confirmed.
Brewha
6 years ago
Patronize me if you like. but honestly what do you think of him?

He seems awfully smart and clever to be floating such openly liberal and impractical ideas with only a rainbow to make them work. And drawing a meaningful fraction of the voters because many value ideals above practicalities.

I suppose the most obvious assent is that he is working for himself - but true of them all I would reckon....
Mr. Jones
6 years ago
I missed this news...

Remember Menechem BegAns'...and Anwar Sadat? final forever peace agrEement with JiMmy Carter???

In da rosEgardenS...

How long did that last???

Kushners is a neophyte...wet behind the ears and over privileged for his entire existence...but he is damn smart, no doubt about it...just sad they set him up for failure...at least he got some agreement, I'LL give him that...
frankj1
6 years ago

I missed this news...

Remember Menechem BegAns'...and Anwar Sadat? final forever peace agrEement with JiMmy Carter???

In da rosEgardenS...

How long did that last???

Kushners is a neophyte...wet behind the ears and over privileged for his entire existence...but he is damn smart, no doubt about it...just sad they set him up for failure...at least he got some agreement, I'LL give him that...

Mr. Jones wrote:


Carter's deal between Egypt and Israel still holds, despite some turnover in Egyptian leadership.

you didn't miss any news, just an announcement from The Administration of their proposal after 3 years.
Kushner has no agreement yet, unless we wanted the Palestinians to burn US flags and pictures of Trump. But it is a big boost for Bibi in his struggle to hold on in Israel. I think he has a stake in the not-yet-announced Trump Tel Aviv Tower...but I heard that is in our national interest.

Oh, and Victor was being funny in the OP.
frankj1
6 years ago

Patronize me if you like. but honestly what do you think of him?

He seems awfully smart and clever to be floating such openly liberal and impractical ideas with only a rainbow to make them work. And drawing a meaningful fraction of the voters because many value ideals above practicalities.

I suppose the most obvious assent is that he is working for himself - but true of them all I would reckon....

Brewha wrote:


I love him...not necessarily rooting for all the talking points, but I could listen to him talk forever.
Best energy of them all.

I also love that (it seems) he may be the only candidate that is not indebted to any blood suckers who would use him. Nor does it seem he is in bed with any for his own benefit. Donors are like 18 bucks each and he has the most donors by far. That is so cool. And he's really not an official Democrat. He's not likely to stump for Dems in other states.
He's pretty much unaffiliated, I find that appealing.

Since he would be limited to President and not be King, I trust that he may lead us back to (but limited to) center, maybe a smidge left which I can handle, due to the constraints the other branches would impose on his talking points.

Yet he has managed to work well with GOP senators on stuff like defense/military. He is almost palatable to 2nd amendment purists, Vermont is pretty rural...for a self professed socialist, he manages to find compromise where none of the others can.

That said, I'm still leaning 3rd party in the finals, but I might drop my "unenrolled" status for the Primaries and give The Bern a vote to help right the wrong that Hillary pulled last time.
DrafterX
6 years ago
Hillary lost... 😟
USNGunner
6 years ago

I love him...not necessarily rooting for all the talking points, but I could listen to him talk forever.
Best energy of them all.

I also love that (it seems) he may be the only candidate that is not indebted to any blood suckers who would use him. Nor does it seem he is in bed with any for his own benefit. Donors are like 18 bucks each and he has the most donors by far. That is so cool. And he's really not an official Democrat. He's not likely to stump for Dems in other states.
He's pretty much unaffiliated, I find that appealing.

Since he would be limited to President and not be King, I trust that he may lead us back to (but limited to) center, maybe a smidge left which I can handle, due to the constraints the other branches would impose on his talking points.

Yet he has managed to work well with GOP senators on stuff like defense/military. He is almost palatable to 2nd amendment purists, Vermont is pretty rural...for a self professed socialist, he manages to find compromise where none of the others can.

That said, I'm still leaning 3rd party in the finals, but I might drop my "unenrolled" status for the Primaries and give The Bern a vote to help right the wrong that Hillary pulled last time.

frankj1 wrote:




Wait. Bernie? Bernie Sanders? That freaking whack job socialist Bernie Sanders? Mr. "Free stuff" Sanders?

No, not palatable. And Vermont is a communist leaning liberal cesspool.

I'd like to see him get it though. 🤔
frankj1
6 years ago

Wait. Bernie? Bernie Sanders? That freaking whack job socialist Bernie Sanders? Mr. "Free stuff" Sanders?

No, not palatable. And Vermont is a communist leaning liberal cesspool.

I'd like to see him get it though. 🤔

USNGunner wrote:


unless he becomes king, he'll never get any commie stuff approved.
Vermont is beautiful, and they like guns
Buckwheat
6 years ago

Not a reflection on this admin, and I don’t know the detail

But Lucy and the football coms to mind on both sides.

teedubbya wrote:



trump's administration is certainly not the first to be duped into making poor decision regarding the middle east. 🌫
USNGunner
6 years ago

Vermont is beautiful, and they like guns

frankj1 wrote:



True. But they elect the most left leaning dufus heads that vote pure pelosi and schumer. 👎

Illinois is a great example. Outside of the metro areas it's a gun loving reasonably conservative state. Unfortunately the population density of chitcago, sprungfield, and the big college towns have us outnumbered and we get stuck with the leftist communist bastards too. ****** Turban springs to mind. Obama was an empty suit state legilator as well till they found out he could give a good speech. Then they made him a national post turtle. 🤐
frankj1
6 years ago

True. But they elect the most left leaning dufus heads that vote pure pelosi and schumer. 👎 [-(

USNGunner wrote:



well the powers behind the scenes certainly went out of their way to steal the nomination from him last time.
and he voted against many when he didn't support the Iraq mistake.

I'm thinking he's not really an insider to them, maybe they never warmed to the idea of a non-registered democrat waltzing in and taking the leading man role. That's Part of what I find appealing...I also just kind of like the guy and his irritable Larry David persona.
delta1
6 years ago
even tho I'm on record as saying I can get behind Warren...I can also feel the Bern...his extreme socialist programs, to me, are starting points to reform healthcare, education, environmental regulations, and corporate regulations...

I particularly want to see if he can reform the federal taxation program to ensure those at the top pay a fair share...

like with any POTUS he'll need a majority in the House and in the Senate to get any traction...otherwise it'll be a lot of wheel spinning and executive orders that won't have lasting impact...
izonfire
6 years ago

even tho I'm on record as saying I can get behind Warren...I can also feel the Bern......

delta1 wrote:


You’re suggesting a threesome.
Kinky
frankj1
6 years ago
deep fake pics or it didn't happen
USNGunner
6 years ago

I particularly want to see if he can reform the federal taxation program to ensure those at the top pay a fair share...

delta1 wrote:



So...............................

What is that exactly? The better you do, the more you're penalized for being successful? You need to go back and re-read the founding of this country and the pilgrims early experiments.

That never works. You run out of other peoples money eventually. 😣
Sunoverbeach
6 years ago
I'd like to see for myself. Send me the money whenever you'd like
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago

So...............................

What is that exactly? The better you do, the more you're penalized for being successful? You need to go back and re-read the founding of this country and the pilgrims early experiments.

That never works. You run out of other peoples money eventually. 😣

USNGunner wrote:




Who is John Galt?
tailgater
6 years ago

even tho I'm on record as saying I can get behind Warren...I can also feel the Bern...his extreme socialist programs, to me, are starting points to reform healthcare, education, environmental regulations, and corporate regulations...

I particularly want to see if he can reform the federal taxation program to ensure those at the top pay a fair share...
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delta1 wrote:



This scares the sh1t out of me.

Forget the gruesome visual of you behind Warren or feeling up Bernie.

You're willing to embrace extreme social programs in hopes they'll simply stimulate progress towards a more reasonable end goal. With no fear that some or all of those programs actually move too far towards the "extreme".

Remember, once the government gives something for free, there is no going back.
No one ever got elected saying they would give less, or take things away.
You give it today and it's forever. Like herpes.

Sidenote:
How much is a fair share?

You've got the talking points down to a tee. Just curious if you can define them.

delta1
6 years ago
fear not...we still live in America where campaign promises rarely get fulfilled to the fullest...moderation and incremental change generally wins the day...

you're assuming that Sanders' plans will get far in Congress...not with a GOP majority...so there will have to be some modifications...

every POTUS needs their party to have a majority in Congress to get stuff done...compare Trump's accomplishment during his first two years to after Feb 2018...


fair share is equal to the average American's net tax rate...and includes income for capital gains...not the "book" rate before credits, deductions, exemptions...
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