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rfenst
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#21

Bill has some baggage and had 8 years as president to fix it.

How about Mitt Romney?

HockeyDad wrote:

I think some people do see him as someone guided by a moral compass. But the blacks will need a better suited leader of their own.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

6 years ago

#22

I think some people do see him as someone guided by a moral compass. But the blacks will need a better suited leader of their own.

rfenst wrote:

If only America had a black president in recent years.

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#23

If only America had a black president in recent years.

tailgater wrote:

Yeah, and someone not linked to American or foreign terrorists. We can only Hope.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#24

I won't tell them either, I just think they need someone who is respected by everyone. Kinda, but not really, like someone of real stature like MLK was in his time. Sharpton is not trustworthy to way too many non-blacks.

(Ironically, had a dialogue with my american history professor about this very issue 30+ years ago regarding Jessy Jacson.)

rfenst wrote:

I am not a historian... but I have a sneaking suspicion that MLK wasn't as well respected by white people during his time as we like to think we respected him, with the rosy glasses of history.
That doesn't mean sharpton will be thought of as the next MLK or anything... just that in 2020 we might be pretending a bit when we think of what the general white response was to MLK back when he was actually alive and leading marches.

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#25

Yeah, and someone not linked to American or foreign terrorists. We can only Hope.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Who else do blacks trust right now to run their show athletes and entertainers. Someone of true stature that is partly why I wrote Benjamin Crump, but he is not a chosen leader.

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#26

If the Dems win, does the black community have faith in Valerie Demons or Kamala as VP?

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#27

Who else do blacks trust right now to run their show athletes and entertainers. Someone of true stature that is partly why I wrote Benjamin Crump, but he is not a chosen leader.

rfenst wrote:

I'd rather them listen to KRS-One! That man is a born leader with a brain but nobody listens to him.

I'll never forget working on Alan Keyes campaign in Detroit and him taking the stage. The crowd was calling him Uncle Tom and screaming the N-word at him. I was really taken aback by that. A man that would've made a good President too.

I don't profess to know or speak for the Black community. It just seems that they want to put up the usual carpetbagger mentality people in those leadership roles that once attained their backs are turned to them and they don't get what they need. Hell, Donald Trump has done more for the Black community than Obama ever did! Look at the way he's treated. It's a $hitshow.

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#28

If the Dems win, does the black community have faith in Valerie Demons or Kamala as VP?

rfenst wrote:

I'm pretty sure they would be looked as a token pick. They'd be right with that too.

The DNC is a shambles. They had 8 years to install a future leader and instead worshiped at the feet of a narcissist that gave nothing back but empty words and division.

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#29

My best guess is Biden will pick a black VP and that Obama will be seen as their leader. You know, I just like this kind of political science and stuff.

Edited by user 6 years ago | Reason: Not specified

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#30

My best guess is Biden will pick a black VP and that Obama will be seen as their leader

rfenst wrote:

Who he picks is important because they're going to be President if elected. 3 months into it the DNC will invoke the 25th Amendment because they will have no use for his worthless ass. "Thanks for getting us here Pops, STFU and die!"

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#31

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Whoa!

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#32

If he even makes it to the election......

Iv3 5aiD 2 MučH

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#33

victor809 wrote:

he was hounded by the FBI, mostly despised by the majority of white America, and ultimately assassinated, as were white contemporaries who shared some of his visions: JFK and RFK...

one of their greatest achievements, besides the Civil Rights Act was the Voting Rights Act ...the SCOTUS gutted the prime section of the act in 2013...and the current DOJ lacks the will to enforce the remaining part of it...

seems America has not changed all that much since MLK was the face of the black rights movement...

Edited by user 6 years ago | Reason: Not specified

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#34

it's many years past the time to dump having Reverends speaking for an entire lumped together race of Americans being defined only by their color.
What about many different leaders from the usual spawning grounds of American success...

I have a hard time with the whole notion of "the (insert color or ethnicity here) community" when used to sum up millions of individuals.
98.2% of our posters could easily be dismissed as members of "the white community", but that would be a pathetically limited and limiting definition...as we learn daily.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#35

delta1 wrote:

That's sort of what I was aiming for.

I'd bet a lot of the posters on here, if they were in the early 60s (and the age they are now), would probably be complaining about how "divisive" this MLK is. Probably 98.2% of them would be agreeing with each other about how this whole civil rights thing is a buncha nonsense, things are just fine the way they are. Any of those blacks who get lynched are on the weed and other things they shouldn't be doing anyway.

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#36

his legacy seems to make him much bigger than his time...he became a leading voice for black Americans in 1963 and was killed only 5 years later...

he was a moderate successor to MalcolmX, a much more confrontational spokesperson for black America, who himself, was assassinated in 1965...MalcolmX was also surveilled and subjected to defamation by the FBI and was truly hated by white America...

any wonder why nobody wants to fill those shoes?

I nominate Kevin Hart...he's funny, small and non-threatening...or the Steve Urkel character...

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#37

victor809 wrote:

and the proliferation of acts being recorded for the first generation of cell phone adherents are reshaping opinions.

For decades we'd hear complaints, but the reports filed disparaged the versions coming from the perps and made it look like expected white noise from guilty parties.

We the public have always formed our own opinions based on the info stimulating our senses, and it always feels like solid decisions to each of us. But we heard second and third hand bleached versions without knowing.

But now we see what we have heard claimed for decades. That's what makes recent instances possibly more effective toward true fairness for all citizens than even "good" Reverends have accomplished with fire and brimstone for over a half century.

do the Revs pay income taxes?

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#38

dunno about income taxes...

but there is still a significant number of Americans who believe our police officer's/ department's version of events over that of a minority suspect, despite the existence of video evidence seemingly showing police misconduct or criminal behavior...

coupled with "qualified immunity" and staunch activism by police unions over the past century, where the Peace Officer's Bill of Rights was created and and a pile of favorable legal decisions exist as precedent...we have an environment where very few police officers are found guilty if they are even brought into court...

uneven playing field, but America is comfortable with it like that...

until now?