bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
5 years ago
I was slow... didn't catch the combo word...

I'm on vacation... was opie-ing out all day! Kinda like catching me on a Saturday.
Speyside
5 years ago
Ray Ray, I find you a unique counterpoint. Your ideology is so very extreme. I find your ideology wrong but more than once it has caused me to think deeply about mine. It gives me additional perspective.
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
5 years ago
Then there's people like me who generally agree with most the libertarian tenets but see them more as guidelines than hard-set rules.
RayR
5 years ago

Ray Ray, I find you a unique counterpoint. Your ideology is so very extreme. I find your ideology wrong but more than once it has caused me to think deeply about mine. It gives me additional perspective.

Speyside wrote:



Yes I know. Those who desire to protect freedom are dissenters and extremists, and enemies of the State, the most dangerous men to the ruling class. Like those founding father types that you read about. I hear their ideas are irrelevant now.

RayR
5 years ago

Then there's people like me who generally agree with most the libertarian tenets but see them more as guidelines than hard-set rules.

bgz wrote:



Yes "guidelines", moral foundations are the tenets of libertarians, ethics like don't steal and don't murder. The proper role of violence is only in self defence. Where we "extremists" differ from the conventional civic religion is we don't carve out exemptions for government so they can steal or kill with impunity, either for the benefit of the rulers themselves or the rulers acting as a surrogate for a special interest.
It's exactly like Rothbard spelled out in the Myth and Truth About Libertarianism.

"libertarianism as a political philosophy dealing with the proper role of violence takes the universal ethic that most of us hold toward violence and applies it fearlessly to government."



Naturally all statists like socialists and fascists don't recognise that there is such a thing as a universal ethic.
Smooth light
5 years ago
Only situational ethics
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
5 years ago
Ethics are relative to civilization. I don't recognize there's a such thing as universal ethics. I would argue the concept of good and evil are man made and are definitely not fundamental in any way shape or form on a universal scale.

The concepts of what our nation was founded on when taken by trickery, theft, force and murder allows our ethics to be fundamental relative to the constitution.
Smooth light
5 years ago
Sounds more like reality morality...
Speyside
5 years ago
So if the Communists win the Senate where are you all moving to? Cause if you stay here your rights are taken away, your guns are taken away, lying scientists will control covid response and information, and the news will be government controlled.
teedubbya
5 years ago
I didn’t realize librarians elicited this sort of response
JadeRose
5 years ago

I didn’t realize librarians elicited this sort of response

teedubbya wrote:




Reedin is funkshadental.
teedubbya
5 years ago
You can say that again baby bubble
MACS
5 years ago
I think folks here would say that I am pretty damned conservative. Here's the thing... fiscally, they would be 100% correct. Socially, I tend to think MYOFB and let people do what they will, as long as it doesn't affect your rights.

Met Frank... Met Delta... like both of them. Here's the thing, Ray... we have a lot of the same values (Frank, Al and I) and we have different ideas on how to govern. It's okay to disagree. It is my belief that social media has ruined civil discourse. We can sit behind keyboards and insult one another instead of sitting face to face and presenting opposing opinions respectfully.

Al and I live 40 miles apart and get together now and then and do just that. Speak respectfully to one another over a drink and a smoke.

Seriously... I truly believe social media bears a large part of the responsibility for where we are as a society right now.

Never had twitter, instagram, snapchat or any of that other crap... had a FascistBook account and deleted it a couple months ago. I do not miss it.
frankj1
  • frankj1
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
5 years ago

I think folks here would say that I am pretty damned conservative. Here's the thing... fiscally, they would be 100% correct. Socially, I tend to think MYOFB and let people do what they will, as long as it doesn't affect your rights.

Met Frank... Met Delta... like both of them. Here's the thing, Ray... we have a lot of the same values (Frank, Al and I) and we have different ideas on how to govern. It's okay to disagree. It is my belief that social media has ruined civil discourse. We can sit behind keyboards and insult one another instead of sitting face to face and presenting opposing opinions respectfully.

Al and I live 40 miles apart and get together now and then and do just that. Speak respectfully to one another over a drink and a smoke.

Seriously... I truly believe social media bears a large part of the responsibility for where we are as a society right now.

Never had twitter, instagram, snapchat or any of that other crap... had a FascistBook account and deleted it a couple months ago. I do not miss it.

MACS wrote:


100%
Love ya bruddah.
delta1
5 years ago
another thing we agree about MACS...social media seems to enable and encourage trollish behavior...name calling and insults take the place of honest exchanges of ideas...seems social media has morphed into the digital equivalent of a junior high playground...

I also stopped Facebooking a few years ago because that was becoming the norm...this place generally is a good sounding board for anybody with an opinion, and it seems both sides of the political spectrum do not approve, or at least avoid, insults and name calling...

a long time ago a professor told our class that ad hominem attacks (name calling and insults) reveals the dearth of well-thought out ideas and defensible positions
tonygraz
5 years ago
I blame trump.
JadeRose
5 years ago
You're all a bunch of stinky doo-doo, wiener heads.
RayR
5 years ago
There's an art to ad hominem attacks, something many people miss because just the fact that they use name calling makes them feel good in a childish schoolyard kind of way.
Now a big boy real attack has the ammo to back it up!
RayR
5 years ago

so you value whining over changing.
waste of talent.

frankj1 wrote:



What the hell is "value whining over changing" mean?:-k
Sounds like a meaningless wasted comment.

bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
5 years ago

There's an art to ad hominem attacks, something many people miss because just the fact that they use name calling makes them feel good in a childish schoolyard kind of way.
Now a big boy real attack has the ammo to back it up!

RayR wrote:



income - ammo * m/s^2
Users browsing this topic