Traitors to what? Due to irreconcilable differences, they voted to secede peacefully and formed a sovereign republic which was their right if you believe in the Principles of '76. Of course, you don't really do you? They defended those principles and the original Constitution, adopting it as their own with some marked improvements. You see it wasn't inside the US anymore.

It was Lincoln who goaded them by stalling and refusing to leave the forts on their land. He even refused to hear any offers to buy them.
Fort Sumter was not just a fort, but a very important tariff collection point before secession. Lincoln stalled and lied like the corporate lawyer he was, his greed for his revenue was his paramount desire and clouded his thinking.
“If I do that, what would become of my revenue? I might as well shut up housekeeping at once!”, Lincoln said in response to the suggestion by the Virginian Commissioners to abandon the custom house of Fort Sumter. Housekeeping is a euphemism for federal spending, in other words, taxing consumers to subsidize special interests, or what we would call today, corporate welfare.” That was Lincoln's specialty in his life as an attorney.

All his scheming and doubletalk to lure the states back into the Union and return his revenue failed. It was understandable why many of his contemporaries didn't trust him. Contrary to modern myth, Lincoln wasn't a popular guy in his time.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/evidence-unpopular-mr-lincoln 

Lincoln's decision was to reinforce and resupply Fort Sumter even though he was advised that it would be viewed as a double-cross and an act of war since Secretary of State William H. Seward had assured Confederate envoys that the fort was going to be abandoned. Seward rejected the idea of resupplying the fort but Lincoln decided against his advice and do it anyway. The resupply fleet was Lincoln's first open act of aggression against the Confederacy which resulted in retaliation of cannon fire in which one horse was killed.

Who invaded who? The war didn't start until Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteer troops to invade the Confederate States. I think you got who was waging war on whose soil confused. I suppose those Confederate troops weren't being patriots for defending their homes from an invading force?

You never heard any of this during your imperial conditioning?

I’ll give you this… you are great at twisting facts to put that ridiculous spin on it… next you will claim it had nothing to do with slavery… and after that you will justify hitlers actions in Germany as just trying to protect his people and get Germany and the rest of Europe back in line huh?

well africans enslaved other africans and sold others plus black on black violence so slavery and cops killing blacks really are pretty much ok.

[sarcasm]

And the civil war had nothing to do with slavery.... it was about being able to wear tshirts without a bra

So it is about blacks, black women have big titties.

Finally, your most articulate post. Which of course is a very low bar.

I've always had disdain for all the **** flags.
The blue line flag
The red line flag
Rainbow flag, c'mon man the rainbow is reminder of God's judgement, His promise not to flood the earth again... Next time by fire!
I'd have more respect for a fire flag for the LGBTQ crowd.
The pre flags like Betsy's earlier versions & the don't tread on me flag are cool but all the rest are **** flags!
The BLM flag equates with the ISIS flag in my head
The stars & bars always brings to mind the duke boys car.
Just silly. Daisy was no slouch though

**** = B a s t a r d flags

they're all made from cloth, maybe polyester now.

Labor cost for cotton have gone way up over the last few centuries

I blame Biden.
Maybe Obama.

At least we never went to war over it

Thanks, Eli Whitney?

That deek put a lot of people out of business. A lot of good people who loved their jobs so much they refused pay. Many are still out of work.

they musta really loved their jobs!

They DID. That whole unrelated war thing screwed it up fir a lot of them.

I heard they actually wanted to have sex with the boss.
Today, that's a deal breaker.

It was just their loving way of saying thank you.

and never coming to grips with their Lost Cause...

I knew you'd say that. It's a programmed response you learned during your imperial conditioning. 😂
I know the neocon/leftist mind f**k well, never debate the actual facts in the historical record, just accuse the other party of having a ridiculous spin on history, accuse them of "revisionism", which arouses incredulity in the minds of the easily duped.
Naturally, there is always the usual name-calling if you choose, say they must be pro slaverrrry!, call them neo-confederates, and of course wait for it...THEY ARE LIKE HITLER!

BTW...Hitler was a Lincoln fanboy. In Mein Kampf Hitler echoed Lincoln's rediculous view on the American founding: "[T]he individual states of the American Union . . . could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that formed the Union, on the contrary, it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states."

Why wouldn't Hilter have the same views? He was for centralizing power at the center like Lincoln, he said, "the cry for the elimination of centralization is really nothing more than a party machination without any serious thought behind it" and reveals "the inner hypocrisy of these so-called federalistic circles. The federative state idea, like religion in part, is only an instrument for their often unclean party interests"

Lincoln said the same thing in his revisionist history of the founding in his First Inaugural Address, "The Union is much older than the Constitution. It was formed in fact, by the Articles of Association in 1774. It was matured and continued by the Declaration of Independence in 1776. It was further matured and the faith of all the then thirteen States expressly plighted and engaged that it should be perpetual, by the Articles of Confederation in 1778. And finally, in 1787, one of the declared objects for ordaining and establishing the Constitution, was "to form a more perfect Union." But if [the] destruction of the Union, by one, or by a part only, of the States, be lawfully possible, the Union is less perfect than before the Constitution, having lost the vital element of perpetuity."

Imagine that, the Union was older than the states, the sovereign parties who in fact formed the constitutional compact. Crazy stuff!
I think the founding generation would be shocked that someone later would say, they the states decided that a more perfect Union would be perpetual, an unbreakable suicide pact. That's nothing like what they agreed upon at the Constitutional Conventions.:-k

No, Hitler is all yours, the nationalist proponents of empire.

The only cause that was lost by the War to Prevent Southern Independence was the cause of the American Revolution.
See post #11, second paragraph.

Remember that this July 4th, if Dicktator Joe allows you all to assemble and have a BBQ or watch fireworks.
You can wave your flags and even ponder on the independence from dicktators that a group of colonies achieved 245 years ago, but it should also be a day of mourning for what has been lost since then.