There seems to be others here trying to tell me what I believe.
Now to that section of the proletariate called "sheeple", sheeple do what sheeple do. Sheeple will believe anything as long as there is a sufficient amount of fear served up in the demagoguery. Sheeple don't have many principles to guide their thought processes, to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak, so they're natural suckers for any demagogue that shows up with a scary story and wants to herd and shear them. They'll naturally believe Fauci, Biden, or any of the other current crop of frauds out there with a microphone.

You seem to be fixated on MTG as if she is a uniquely dangerous and powerful cult leader who is providing patently false, dangerous lies to the sheeple and leading them to their doom. I don't get it, I never paid much attention to her, like Frank said he thinks I need to catch up.🤣 I guess I'm supposed to listen to more of her speeches and stuff.💤
I only know she's entitled to say what she believes whether you or I believe it's correct, wrong, or if it's even comprehensible.
I learned something a long time ago, even if you can say what you believe in concise and clear terms, some joker will come around and try to spin it in a different way to tell you what you believe.

Robert, correct me if I'm wrong but it appears to me that you may have a very low opinion of the intelligence of the sheeple, as you are alarmed that they will easily be led astray by her powerful charisma or something like that and they'll believe in the stupidity of her false allegations and therefore these feckless proles need to be shown the light as you see it.
If I am correct and that's the case then it seems we agree on one point anyway, we both have a generally low opinion of the intelligence of sheeple.

"Enough debates. Just go out and get it already. It protects you, your family, and everyone in your community. It’s been scientifically, mathematically and statistically proven to make everyone safer. The communities that got them are overwhelmingly safer. The chances of side effects or accidents are so unbelievably small that it’s completely absurd not to get one already. Quit being selfish, and quit arguing online and go out and get a firearm." -Random guy on the internets.

You’re a punk, bob.

Thanks

LOL I'm sorry

Can we call you Punky Bob?

I dont see why not

You're funny

But I thought it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated?

I thought this was funny!

Anyone else figure out why Victor is laughing at some covid funerals ?

Why does Tony support ANTIFA? Why does Victor laugh at some covid funerals?
Because yer all sick!😠

Twitter? Really?
Time to re-check your source, bro.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/09/facebook-posts/facebook-post-misleads-cases-and-outcomes-israels-/ 


The Israeli Graphs That Prove COVID Vaccines Are Working
The unvaccinated elderly are over five times more likely to experience a severe case of COVID-19 than their immunized counterparts, according to Health Ministry data

Haaretz
Aug. 11, 2021 2:42 PM
Despite a recent increase in the number of serious cases in Israel, including among the fully vaccinated, those who received both doses of the vaccine against COVID-19 are significantly less likely to experience severe illness, according to data released by the Israeli Health Ministry.

As of August 8, the ministry recorded 85.6 severe COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people among the unvaccinated over the age of 60, compared to 16.3 per 100,000 people among the fully vaccinated. This makes the unvaccinated elderly more than five times as likely to experience a severe case than their immunized counterparts.

For those under the age of 60, the rate of severe illness among the unvaccinated stood at 1.4 cases per 100,000 people – 2.8 times more than the 0.5 per 100,000 among those who received two doses of the vaccine.

According to the data, while the risk of experiencing severe symptoms increases with age for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, it rises much more dramatically among the unvaccinated.

Speaking with Haaretz during a live Q&A last week, Prof. Ran Balicer, chairman of Israel’s expert panel on COVID-19, said “there’s no question” that people who are unvaccinated are at a higher risk of developing severe illness from COVID-19.

“You can see this in the most simple graphs published by the Health Ministry. When you look at Israelis above the age of 60 and you examine severe illness rates – not numbers, rates, which means the number of illnesses per a specific number of the population – then what you see is that among those who are unvaccinated, there’s a considerably higher rate of severe illness than among the vaccinated,” he explained.

Israel now quarantines all arrivals from U.S. and 41 more countries

While the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine may have waned somewhat over the past several months, those who are vaccinated are protected five to 10 times as much as those who are unable or unwilling to receive the shot, said Prof. Nadav Davidovitch, director of the School of Public Health at Ben-Gurion University of the Desert, Be’er Sheva, and head of the Israeli Association of Public Health Physicians.

Both the length of time that has passed since vaccination and a patient’s age can affect the likelihood of their contracting a severe case of COVID-19. “Those who were vaccinated in January are somewhat less protected compared to those vaccinated in, for example, March,” Davidovitch said, adding that it is possible that the more infectious delta variant could also have an impact on the incidence of serious cases.

Israel saw a drop in new coronavirus cases Saturday, with Sunday’s Health Ministry data revealing 2,886 new cases. Serious cases rose to 348 on Saturday, 19 more than the previous day.

Some 5.8 million Israelis have received at least one shot of the coronavirus vaccine. And of them, 422,326 have received three doses as part of the new campaign to give booster shots to the elderly and other vulnerable people.

The Health Ministry said late last month that the effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine in preventing infection and mild symptoms has dropped to 40 percent, although the data might be skewed because of issues with the small sampling size. It maintained that the effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing hospitalizations and severe symptoms stood at 88 percent and 91 percent, respectively.

In a statement on Monday, the Government Press Office said that Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz had held a discussion with the CEOs of Israel’s four national health maintenance organizations “in order to increase the pace of vaccinations around the country.”

During a televised speech last month, Bennett accused vaccine refusers of “endangering their health, their surroundings and all Israeli citizens.”

The purpose of the vaccine had less to do with preventing transmission than providing “protection against mortality and severe illness,” although such protection is a “welcome outcome,” explained Prof. Hagai Levine, an epidemiologist at Hebrew University and Davidovitch’s predecessor at the Association of Public Health Physicians.

While it now appears that there is “four or five times lower incidence” of severe cases among the vaccinated, a fuller examination of the data, correcting for age and preexisting conditions, may reveal that the vaccine “is even more effective than seen from this graph,” he said.



https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/the-israeli-graphs-that-prove-covid-vaccines-are-working-1.10101640 

The purpose of the vaccine had less to do with preventing transmission than providing “protection against mortality and severe illness,”

That’s not really how it was sold to the public. Vax up or mask up.

Yup, it's not the vaccine of invincibility that it was cracked up to be. Now the quacks are back selling the discredited face diaper placebo as if that's going to restore some confidence.

I blame TW.

True.

Me too, he deserves all the blame. 😠

Opinion: America has a long history of vaccination mandates. Why should the worst plague in a century be any different?

WAPO
Coronavirus vaccination mandates are spreading. So is resistance to them. “We can either have a free society, or we can have a biomedical security state,” says Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) of Florida, where covid-19 A number of red states, including Texas and Florida, not only refuse to mandate vaccinations and masks but also are trying to prevent companies and local governments from doing so. cases and hospitalizations have reached record levels.

Talk about a false dichotomy. Republicans who oppose “defunding the police” or support a “war on terrorism” recognize that there is no freedom without security. They are willing to accept substantial infringements on civil liberties to combat criminals and terrorists. Yet they insist on dropping our guard against a pandemic that has already killed nearly as many Americans (617,000 and counting) as died in battle during all U.S. wars combined.

Ever since George Washington forced his troops to be inoculated against smallpox in 1777, Americans have routinely complied with vaccination mandates. Such mandates are, in fact, as American as apple pie. As Scientific American noted: “Every state and Washington, D.C., requires routine vaccinations, such as for measles, mumps and rubella, as a condition of school attendance.”

The Supreme Court, in 1905 and 1922, upheld the legality of requiring people to get their shots. A three-judge panel of Republican appointees to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit just turned away a challenge to Indiana University’s vaccination requirement. Judge Frank Easterbrook, a leading conservative, wrote that “vaccination requirements, like other public-health measures, have been common in this nation.”

So if vaccination mandates are legal and backed by ample precedent, what possible grounds can there be for rejecting them — other than catering to the conspiratorial fantasies of malign anti-vaxxer propagandists?

“I believe it makes sense to get vaccinated,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) tweeted, “but everyone must make their own choice.” Sounds nice, but we don’t let everyone make their own choice about whether to smoke indoors, wear a seat belt, drive drunk, drive at 100 mph or myriad other public health matters. Why should covid-19 — the deadliest plague in a century — be any different?

Others suggest that mandates will be counterproductive, but school requirements have greatly boosted the fight against once common diseases. More recently, coronavirus vaccination mandates led many more people to get their shots in Italy and France, giving those countries higher vaccination levels than the United States.

Some cynically argue that because vaccinated people are extremely unlikely to get seriously ill from covid-19, there is no real reason to impose a mandate — let the unvaccinated die if they want to. But even leaving aside the dubious morality of this argument — are we not our brother’s and sister’s keeper? — it ignores all the negative consequences that a rampaging pandemic has even on the vaccinated.

For a start, the longer the virus circulates, the greater the chances that a vaccine-resistant strain will develop. Breakthrough infections are still rare but becoming more common — and for the immunocompromised, they can be deadly. Even when coronavirus infections don’t cause hospitalization or death, they are still extremely unpleasant. In low-vaccination areas, hospitals are filling up again, making it harder for patients to get routine medical care or even treatment for non-covid-related emergencies. Who pays the cost of caring for covid-19 patients? We all do, whether as taxpayers or members of insurance pools.

Concerns about the delta variant also harm the economy and risk putting restaurants and other businesses that have barely survived out of business. The surest way to revive the economy — something Republicans profess to care about when they oppose lockdowns, mask mandates and social distancing — is to vaccinate everyone.[/h]

Perhaps worst of all, the delta variant is endangering school reopenings. Children under 12 still can’t get vaccinated. In the last week of July, nearly 72,000 cases were reported in children — 19 percent of the new cases nationwide. Though serious illness and death are uncommon in the young, at least 358 kids have already died of covid-19 — and many more are struggling with “long covid.”

Schools are forced to take precautions including mandating masks and limiting in-person activities. The ultimate nightmare — of another year when schooling goes largely online and extracurricular activities are canceled — is still a possibility as the delta variant worsens. Averting that danger requires overcoming the opposition to vaccination mandates not only from Republican governors but also from teachers unions. (The unions, mercifully, are rethinking their stance; most of the governors, sadly, are not.)

We are more than half a year into the vaccination campaign and it’s obvious that the voluntary approach isn’t working fast enough to stop the delta variant. Only 61 percent of U.S. adults are fully vaccinated. We need many more requirements similar to New York City’s, which mandates proof of vaccination for entry into indoor spaces. President Biden also needs to mandate vaccination for airline passengers. There is every reason to act now before the school year starts, and no good reason not to.

It is obvious that the voluntary approach isn’t working fast enough to stop the delta variant.

We need to start hotlines so we can report people that are unvaccinated to the authorities. The unvaccinated can then be taken to camps to receive their mandated medical treatment.

Once vaccinated you still need to wear your mask though.