RayR
5 years ago
The current Progtard administration doesn't care about any amendments, they rule by any dicktate that they can get away with. Liars and traitors!
HockeyDad
5 years ago
A WAPO opinion backs the concept of increasing the US versus THEM strategy.

Eventually we are going to have to start rounding up the unvaccinated and shipping them to unvaccinated camps. It’s the final solution.

Just remember who we are targeting.

Statistically more than half of unvaccinated Americans live in households that make less than $50,000 annually.
Whites and Asians have above average vaccine rates.
Blacks and Latinos have below average vaccine rates.
rfenst
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5 years ago

A WAPO opinion backs the concept of increasing the US versus THEM strategy.

HockeyDad wrote:


We arealready divided along party lines around 50/50. We are also divided over vaccination. At what point do 70-75% of the population get to be the majority when it comes to a national decision?
ZRX1200
5 years ago
The head nodders don’t mind being manipulated.
RobertHively
5 years ago
Us (us, us, us, us) and them (them, them, them, them)
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me
And you (you, you, you)
God only knows
It's not what we would choose (choose, choose) to do (to do, to do)
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
And the general sat
And the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
Black (black, black, black)
And blue (blue, blue)
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up (up, up, up, up)
And down (down, down, down, down)
And in the end it's only round 'n round (round, round, round)
Haven't you heard it's a battle of words
The poster bearer cried
"Listen son", said the man with the gun
There's room for you inside

"I mean, they're not gonna kill ya
So if you give 'em a quick short, sharp, shock
They won't do it again. Dig it?
I mean he get off lightly, 'cause I would've given him a thrashing
I only hit him once! It was only a difference of opinion, but really
I mean good manners don't cost nothing do they, eh?"

Down (down, down, down, down)
And out (out, out, out, out)
It can't be helped that there's a lot of it about
With (with, with, with), without
And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about?
Out of the way
It's a busy day
I've got things on my mind
For the want of the price
Of tea and a slice
The old man died
bgz
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5 years ago

A WAPO opinion backs the concept of increasing the US versus THEM strategy.

Eventually we are going to have to start rounding up the unvaccinated and shipping them to unvaccinated camps. It’s the final solution.

Just remember who we are targeting.

Statistically more than half of unvaccinated Americans live in households that make less than $50,000 annually.
Whites and Asians have above average vaccine rates.
Blacks and Latinos have below average vaccine rates.

HockeyDad wrote:



Are you saying Blacks and Latinos don't trust Whites and Asians because they keep taking all their money?


^Trying some of that DG LOgic
rfenst
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5 years ago
The GOP’s halting, uneven journey toward becoming the anti-vaccine mandate party
Or in this case, toward opposing something that isn’t a vaccine mandate at all.

WAPO

There are a couple of perplexing things about the political opposition to the Biden administration’s decision to force large employers to mandate coronavirus vaccines or weekly testing — and vaccine mandates more broadly.

One is that our country has been mandating vaccines for a very long time, and the Pfizer vaccine now has the same status as those other vaccines: full authorization by the Food and Drug Administration. The Republicans who today say vaccines should be a matter of choice have done relatively little over the years to fight mandates of other such vaccines.

The second is that, for all the pushback on vaccine mandates, this isn’t truly a vaccine mandate at all; it’s a mandate to either get the vaccine or get tested weekly. You could even call it a testing mandate with a vaccination opt-out, if you wanted to. People who don’t want the vaccine needn’t get injected with anything or forfeit their job. To the extent this is “authoritarianism,” it’s the tyranny of a brief-if-relatively-frequent nasal swab.


Many things have conspired to bring us to this moment in American politics, in which more than 600,000 deaths are apparently insufficient in the minds of some for such a step. But perhaps the turning point came in Texas in 2007.

Out of the blue, a conservative Republican governor named Rick Perry signed an executive order. The order made his state the first in the country to mandate a vaccine for a sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, the human papillomavirus (or HPV), for girls entering the sixth grade.

The response was swift, and the GOP-controlled state legislature soon overrode him. But the conservative concerns often pertained less to the safety of the vaccine or the appropriateness of the such mandates — as they do today — and more to both the limited scale of the problem and to the idea that the vaccine would encourage promiscuity in young girls.[/h]

Perry backed down, but he continued to defend his decision — that is, until 2011, when he was seeking a promotion and it became rather inconvenient.

By then, Perry was the GOP’s supposed white-knight presidential candidate. And one of the earliest issues that his opponents used to knock him down a peg or two was the HPV vaccine mandate. Perry renounced his past defenses of the order within hours of launching his campaign. The next month at a debate, one of the candidates he had passed in the polls, then-Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), wrongly suggested the vaccine might cause “mental retardation.”

The writing was on the wall when it came to how such vaccine mandates might play with the most conservative parts of the base that had been taking over the party since the tea party wave of 2010. And since then, the GOP’s position on vaccines has drifted haltingly toward a stronger anti-mandate posture.


GOP leaders have shifted on vaccination. Their state laws have not.

While some GOP politicians toe the line between advocating for vaccines and protecting individual freedoms, legislative barriers to vaccination still exist. (Blair Guild/The Washington Post)
In the years since, a number of states have debated vaccine mandates, with vaccine and mandate skeptics pushing legislation opposed or shunned by more prominent Republicans. Some of those same Republicans have now toed the line in the party’s united opposition to Biden’s policy.


South Dakota held a heated vaccine mandate debate in 2016, when then-Gov. Dennis Daugaard’s (R) administration successfully pushed for a meningitis vaccine mandate — but not before it nearly failed in a state House committee, where most Republicans voted against it.

In 2019, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) fought an effort from some state legislative Republicans to make it easier to get exemptions for other vaccine mandates. “I think it’s important for people to know that we are pro-vaccination in the state of Arizona,” Ducey said at the time. “Vaccinations are good for our kids and helpful for public health.”

Ducey last month banned local governments from requiring coronavirus vaccinations for their employees, and on Thursday he decried Biden’s “dictatorial approach,” saying, “The vaccine is and should be a choice.”

There was a similar push in Iowa in 2019 to add an exemption for “conscientiously held beliefs,” but Gov. Kim Reynolds (R) said she supported the existing exemptions on the books, and the effort wound up fizzling out.

On Thursday, Reynolds also denounced the Biden administration’s move, even though it includes religious and disability-related exemptions and a testing option, saying, “I believe and trust in Iowans to make the best health decisions for themselves and their families.”

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine’s (R) administration in 2019 also expressed skepticism about a bill that would demand schools post information about exemptions for vaccine mandates. DeWine has also recently fought against a GOP effort to ban businesses from instituting their own vaccine mandates.

On Friday, he called Biden’s moved “a mistake” and said that “people and business owners should make their own decisions about vaccination.”

Similar language has been employed by many other GOP senators and governors, including Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb (R). “I strongly believe it’s not the state or federal government’s role to issue a vaccine mandate upon citizens & private businesses,” Holcomb said in a tweet Friday.

But back in 2017, Holcomb signed a bill mandating that students at Indiana’s public colleges and universities be vaccinated against meningitis. And as recently as June, he bucked conservatives who wanted him to stop Indiana University from requiring proof of coronavirus vaccination for all students and employees.

There is nuance in all of this. Some have suggested their quarrel is not with vaccine mandates, per se, but with the federal government mandating them or compelling private businesses to mandate them. Others had said previously this was about the coronavirus vaccines only being authorized for emergency use.

But then the Pfizer vaccine was fully authorized, and we saw almost no shift in the GOP’s anti-mandate stance. We’ve also seen a pretty steady GOP effort to prevent even the mandates forged by those private businesses on their own or by local and state governments. And the prevailing talking point here — that vaccines should be a choice and that even state government shouldn’t mandate them — doesn’t really apply across the board to other vaccines.[h] It also ignores the fact that mandates aren’t just about government controlling lives; vaccines need widespread adoption to truly stomp out a virus like the coronavirus.)

In July, a spokesman for Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) responded to a question about whether the senator also opposed other such vaccine mandates that were already in place in Texas, saying: “Of course not. Sen. Cruz has been clear that he opposes covid vaccine mandates.”

That seems to be the uniting principle here. [h]But if you’re going to oppose a mandate for a fully authorized vaccine, it would make more sense if you opposed them more broadly. If you’re going to isolate the one that happens to protect against a virus that has killed more than 600,000 people since the start of 2020, that seems like a strange place to draw the line — unless you have a reason you’re not enunciating for why this one is different. Federalist concerns are perhaps valid, but we’ve seen almost no Republicans say even states or local governments should be allowed to do this.


[h]And the drawing of that line is somewhat more curious now, given that, unlike mandates for those other vaccines, this one isn’t strictly a vaccine mandate at all.
RobertHively
5 years ago
^^^^^^^

"If you’re going to isolate the one that happens to protect against a virus that has killed more than 600,000 people since the start of 2020..."

You mean the one with a 99.8% survival rate, similar to the seasonal flu?

RobertHively
5 years ago
^^^^^^^^

The one that's never been isolated and identified? A mandate for that one?
bgz
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5 years ago
Covid sucks, flu sucks. Covid sucks as bad as the flu... I Get the flu shot because the flu sucks.

Well, I think you know where I'm going with this. Politics aside, Covid sucks.
RobertHively
5 years ago

Covid sucks, flu sucks. Covid sucks as bad as the flu... I Get the flu shot because the flu sucks.

Well, I think you know where I'm going with this. Politics aside, Covid sucks.

bgz wrote:



Being sick with covid/flu like symptoms does suck.

I got really sick with the flu back in August 2019, I'm sure it would be called Covid today. Brutal sh*t.
RayR
5 years ago
Not WAPO again! What a chitty newspaper.

They lost me at "America’s sane majority".

They'll even ally with and quote Steve Schmidt, libelous lying RINO cofounder of the scandalous and disgraced Lincoln Project. WAPO has no shame at all, NONE! They'll cherry-pick and quote any scumbag that meets the needs of pushing their leftist dogma.

You're right HD, WAPO would be on board with "rounding up the unvaccinated and shipping them to unvaccinated camps."

Herr rfenst: The purpose of the original confederated republic of the sovereign states was to prevent “the tyranny of the majority.”, that there was no singular central government, no single "nation" formed at all, and therefore there could not be any "national decision" making outside of enumerated powers, none by the way of democracy or dicktatorship written into any founding documents allowing any majority to squash the rights guaranteed to the minority. I know, I know.... the compact has been violated many times in the past, yes even by your black-robed despots using weaselly lawyer talk.
HockeyDad
5 years ago

At what point do 70-75% of the population get to be the majority when it comes to a national decision?

rfenst wrote:



When we’re ready to open up the camps and fix bayonets.
HockeyDad
5 years ago

Are you saying Blacks and Latinos don't trust Whites and Asians because they keep taking all their money?

bgz wrote:



No. I’m saying consistently across cities, states, and the USA, blacks and Latinos are under vaccinated and resisting. The Democrats never let them have any money.
bgz
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5 years ago
Well maybe they wouldn't resist if they opened up their wallets a little bit...

Anyway, tomorrow in bizzaroworld, the lizard people will...
RayR
5 years ago
Sorry...I have no chitty WAPO apparatchiks for the regime articles to post. Contrary to that claptrap, this is quite good.
Eric Peters of ericpetersautos.com writes about all things cars and bikes, but also is forthright libertarian in his politics and you know what?. I don't think he's a fan of Dicktator Biden.😂

Open Letter to the Tyrant

The president of the United States has decreed – no law has been passed – that every American will roll up their sleeves and be Jabbed , else lose their jobs. It will start with companies that employ 100 people or more. It will be expanded to every employer, eventually. The next step will be Proof of Jab to enter – anywhere. This is coming, as sure as the president’s moral authority is receding.

He intends to enforce his decrees using the regulatory apparat of the state, which is telling. America is now an openly lawless country. The Maximum Leader decrees – and the bureaucracy enforces. The trial balloon version of this was floated last year, when “mandates” and “guidelines” supplanted laws.

This is tyranny.

Not the funny, El Presidente of Ecuarico kind.

Some of the people may have voted for Joe Biden. No one voted for mandatory vaccines. No representative of the people so voted. It was never put up for a vote. It was ordered. That is not America, anymore.

Americans are thus relieved of any obligation to obey.

The time has come to resist. Not with violence. With something more powerful.

Refusal.

More...

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/09/10/open-letter-to-the-tyrant/ 

Brewha
5 years ago

^^^^^^^

"If you’re going to isolate the one that happens to protect against a virus that has killed more than 600,000 people since the start of 2020..."

You mean the one with a 99.8% survival rate, similar to the seasonal flu?

RobertHively wrote:


Denial ain’t just deep, it’s wide too….
DrafterX
5 years ago
The Rona was fabricated by Fauci and President Incompetent Bassard to pass lenient voting laws and oust Trump... 😟
rfenst
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5 years ago

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Herr rfenst: The purpose of the original confederated republic of the sovereign states was to prevent “the tyranny of the majority.”, that there was no singular central government, no single "nation" formed at all, and therefore there could not be any "national decision" making outside of enumerated powers, none by the way of democracy or dicktatorship written into any founding documents allowing any majority to squash the rights guaranteed to the minority. I know, I know.... the compact has been violated many times in the past, yes even by your black-robed despots using weaselly lawyer talk.

RayR wrote:



1. Why do you refer to me as Herr?

2. The purpose was ideal for the times- and a good one to continue to strive for. But, reality gets in the way, for better or worse.
RobertHively
5 years ago

Denial ain’t just deep, it’s wide too….

Brewha wrote:



That's why I'm trying to help you with that. The figure comes from your church, the CDC.
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