Speyside2
Thursday, December 9, 2021 3:59:36 PM
No, not at all, you fear truth. I simply express what I believe to be the truth, then you twist my words to fit your purpose.
8trackdisco
Thursday, December 9, 2021 6:43:07 PM

At least Canadian cold fronts apologize profusely.

HockeyDad wrote:

Mostly yes. I don't understand the ones that come from Quebec.

8trackdisco
Thursday, December 9, 2021 6:50:39 PM
Re #20 & #21 let's keep it civil, fellas.

Yes, hysteria gets clicks. If there was more straightforward and honest media- instead of the current state of either brought to you by the Left and Right, fear would be less pervasive.

Personally, I'm reluctantly vaxed. Just like my political views, they don't fit in the Right or Left sides.

I both think we shouldn't be compelled to put government mandated toxins in our systems, no am I an anti-vaxer.

Wife and I decided for us, better to take the medicine and hopefully enjoy or suffer the same results.

DrMaddVibe
Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:55:19 PM
Has there been an unvaxxed case of the Omicron yet?

Every case I read about has been fully vaxxed.

8trackdisco
Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:04:56 PM

Has there been an unvaxxed case of the Omicron yet?

Every case I read about has been fully vaxxed.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

I have not heard. Sure would be interesting to know that.

Speyside2
Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:52:31 PM
Doc, there have been no hard numbers yet. Not surprising now, but in a few more weeks it will be. Supposedly there are far more cases in the unvaccinated than the vaccinated. Not I say supposedly. It looks like 75% of new infections are Omicron. I want to see raw unmanipulated data on the severity of Omicron. I really do not want to hear the fear mongering that is starting up that we may need a 4th shot soon. Let's see if Omicron is as mild as it seems to be first. Protecting us from Omicron may end up being a poor decision. I want to see the math and the science before even beginning to consider if a 4th shot holds any benifit for multiple reasons.
Speyside2
Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:56:32 PM
If Omicron is dominant, and if Omicron is no more virilant than flu, then I question the need for additional vaccination other than for those at high risk. And that of course is an individuals choice.
DrMaddVibe
Thursday, December 9, 2021 9:01:08 PM

Doc, there have been no hard numbers yet. Not surprising now, but in a few more weeks it will be. Supposedly there are far more cases in the unvaccinated than the vaccinated. Not I say supposedly. It looks like 75% of new infections are Omicron. I want to see raw unmanipulated data on the severity of Omicron. I really do not want to hear the fear mongering that is starting up that we may need a 4th shot soon. Let's see if Omicron is as mild as it seems to be first. Protecting us from Omicron may end up being a poor decision. I want to see the math and the science before even beginning to consider if a 4th shot holds any benifit for multiple reasons.

Speyside2 wrote:

Good luck. You won't!

From everything I've read it's a lesser variant and this is how the Spanish Flu faded away. One can hope.

Speyside2
Thursday, December 9, 2021 9:02:44 PM
That is my hope and prayer Doc.
DrMaddVibe
Thursday, December 9, 2021 9:02:58 PM

If Omicron is dominant, and if Omicron is no more virilant than flu, then I question the need for additional vaccination other than for those at high risk. And that of course is an individuals choice.

Speyside2 wrote:

Is it?

Look at other nations.

Despicable. One would've thought we would've learned from WWII. Humans went right back to the well.

Speyside2
Thursday, December 9, 2021 9:35:13 PM
I didn't state that clearly. My belief is that additional vaccination should be an individuals choice.
Speyside2
Friday, December 10, 2021 9:48:59 AM
Stogie1020
Friday, December 10, 2021 11:21:15 AM
Here is what I am really eager to see the progress of: "How do those in power begin to relinquish the control they have held during Covid?"

Frankly, I am glad we are at a point in this where this is even a thought, as it likely means that we have truly rounded the corner, but it's been a concern of mine for some time.

What happens after COVID will be very telling regarding what your government (school/local, state, fed) thinks of you.

I look to a lot of the government's reactions to 9-11 and still see many of those policies in place. Some were good, some not so much. Once a government ball gets rolling, it seems awfully hard to ever stop it.

""Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Cheno
Friday, December 10, 2021 11:21:57 AM
An anagram for "Delta Omicron" is "cilantro mode"

So that means BUY TACOS!!!!

Speyside2
Friday, December 10, 2021 11:48:10 AM
Stogie, I hope there is an annual flu/covid shot available and the decision is a personal one based on your assessment of risk to you. I think this may not be the case which would be shameful.
Stogie1020
Friday, December 10, 2021 2:14:09 PM

Stogie, I hope there is an annual flu/covid shot available and the decision is a personal one based on your assessment of risk to you. I think this may not be the case which would be shameful.

Speyside2 wrote:

Spey, that seems likely, although my real concerns are with the 'propensity' for mandates, "required" this or that beacuse of some emergency we can concoct, etc...

HockeyDad
Friday, December 10, 2021 2:23:59 PM
I do not see the state of emergency being lifted in California.

I do not see the indoor mask mandate being lifted in the Bay Area.

I do not see the Covid passport mandate being lifted in my county.

Our permanent departure date from California is now being moved up.

8trackdisco
Monday, December 13, 2021 3:10:33 PM
Well…. The latest from Reuters.

Two-dose vaccines induce lower antibodies against Omicron, study finds

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/two-dose-vaccines-induce-lower-antibodies-against-omicron-study-finds-2021-12-13/ 

8trackdisco
Monday, December 13, 2021 3:13:31 PM

I do not see the state of emergency being lifted in California.

I do not see the indoor mask mandate being lifted in the Bay Area.

I do not see the Covid passport mandate being lifted in my county.

Our permanent departure date from California is now being moved up.

HockeyDad wrote:

They should start building a wall (concrete, barbed wire, minefield) to keep the people safe from Americans.

HockeyDad
Monday, December 13, 2021 3:14:44 PM
I get my third Pfizer dose tomorrow. Finally, freedom!