rfenst
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2 years ago

Ukraine doesn't need one more dime of hush money. They've laundered enough of our tax dollars for the big guy.

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That is b.s. Ukraine is a continuation of WWI and WWII-style land grabs, and the beginning of WWIII if Putin isn't stopped.
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

That is b.s. Ukraine is a continuation of WWI and WWII-style land grabs, and the beginning of WWIII if Putin isn't stopped.

rfenst wrote:




Then you should liquidate all assets and donate it all to that Nazi DNC slush fund.
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RayR
2 years ago

That is b.s. Ukraine is a continuation of WWI and WWII-style land grabs, and the beginning of WWIII if Putin isn't stopped.

rfenst wrote:



Hmmm...I thought it was a continuation of the cold war.
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2 years ago
Matt Gaetz: ‘Biden’s Favorite Republican’

A vote to oust Speaker McCarthy would empower Democrats.


WSJ Editorial Board
Kevin McCarthy chose the only option he had on Saturday to avoid a pointless government shutdown by seeking a bipartisan vote. He succeeded, but now the GOP Jacobins who blocked a Republican-only bill are plotting to oust Mr. McCarthy as House Speaker as soon as this week.

Mr. McCarthy had worked until the day before a shutdown deadline to pass a 45-day funding bill that included a spending reduction, money for border security, and a commission on the growing federal debt. It wouldn’t have passed the Senate, but it would at least have given the House leverage in conference. The GOP’s rejectionists defeated everything.

That left Mr. McCarthy no choice but to seek Democratic votes for a funding bill that included no GOP priorities. Democrats went along rather than be blamed for a shutdown, and good for them for voting aye despite the bill’s failure to include aid for Ukraine.

Mr. McCarthy knew he was putting his Speakership at risk, and on Sunday Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz vowed to introduce a motion to vacate the Speaker’s chair. If it passes with a House majority, Mr. McCarthy will be toppled. He can only lose four Republicans.

The question for the Jacobins is what’s the plan if they oust Mr. McCarthy? Their latest justification is that they want someone they can trust in the job, but Mr. McCarthy has bent over backward to please them. It is never enough. Mr. Gaetz scores Mr. McCarthy for relying on Democrats for the funding bill, but Mr. Gaetz is counting on nearly all Democrats to join him to oust Mr. McCarthy.

Democrats could decide to provide some votes to save the Speaker, but they may prefer to see the GOP conference in chaos. Democrats will exact a price for pro-McCarthy votes if they choose that route—another example of how the Gaetz Republicans help the left despite their claims to be conservatives. That’s why GOP Rep. Carlos Giménez called Mr. Gaetz “Joe Biden’s favorite Republican” on Fox News on Sunday.

Mr. Gaetz, Matt Rosendale, Andy Biggs, Ralph Norman, Dan Bishop and pals have given no evidence that they understand the reality of divided government. It requires House GOP unity to have any leverage against a Democratic Senate and President, and even then there has to be compromise.

The rejectionists claim to be the only Republicans with principles, but their only apparent strategy—and only seeming goal—is to blow everything up.

Whoever wins the Speaker’s chair after Mr. McCarthy would be thrust into the job in the middle of a Congressional term amid a high-stakes budget negotiation and an impeachment inquiry into President Biden. He’d be subject to the same vacate-the-chair blackmail that has hung over Mr. McCarthy. What masochist wants that duty?

The Republicans who want to topple Mr. McCarthy are motivated by personal animus that has nothing to do with the public good. The vote to vacate the chair, if it comes to that, will test how self-destructive the nihilist Republicans can be.
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8trackdisco
2 years ago

I personally find it funny as hell that Gaetz (the guy you Robert, peddled was some sexual deviant with ZERO proof) is now wielding the power over the House Majority leader and the House to do it's one singular job. Deliver a budget. Not some DNC wishlist. Not some Chinese phone book legislation that nobody has the time to read, and lobbyists actually wrote. In this battle Matt is right. America is broke. It's time to start ending the insanity. The World Bank is NOT going to give us the same treatment as a German unification, or USSR dismantle towards their debts. Its time to pay the piano player if you want to dance to the music he's making.

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I liked Gaetz better in True Blood. Or was it Buffy?
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

I liked Gaetz better in True Blood. Or was it Buffy?

8trackdisco wrote:



True Blood....Bawhahahahaaa...totally got the reference!!!

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2 years ago
He is just one plain, ugly, vampire-looking mofo.
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RayR
2 years ago

He is just one plain, ugly, vampire-looking mofo.

rfenst wrote:



So you are, like Jonesy, jealous of his hair?
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rfenst
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2 years ago

So you are, like Jonesy, jealous of his hair?

RayR wrote:


Take a good look at his bobble head, arched eye-brows and tall forehead with standing up hair and tell me he isn't scarry looking.
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RayR
2 years ago
OK, that's enough of your jealousy.

This congressman actually knows math and is skooling the idiots.
Probably didn't do any good, because they are evil morons.

'The Idiot Class': David Schweikert Absolutely Hammers Congressional Colleagues Over Spending

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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
Trash went to the curb!
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Stogie1020
2 years ago
15 rounds of votes to get in, one round to get out.
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RobertHively
2 years ago
The stones on this guy....

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1709307848319254863 

His own party booing him. I love it. The warfare/welfare state brought to you by USA INC. will continue, but this was awesome.

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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
Guess who FA&FO??????


House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker in historic vote


The House of Representatives on Tuesday took the unprecedented step of ousting a speaker from office, nearly nine months after Kevin McCarthy won the powerful gavel in a dramatic 15-round floor fight.

The vote was 216-210, to topple the California Republican, who continued to insist to the bitter end that he would "never give up." After the vote, the office of the speaker of the House — and the second rung on the ladder of succession to the U.S. presidency — was declared vacant.

All 208 Democrats teamed up with just eight GOP rebels to vacate the speaker’s chair — the first time in U.S. history that lawmakers have formally voted to remove a sitting speaker in the middle of a term. An overwhelming number of Republicans, 210, voted to keep McCarthy in power, but it was not enough to stop the effort led by Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., who for weeks has accused McCarthy of breaking promises to conservatives to cut spending.

“We heard Speaker McCarthy say that he wanted us to ‘Bring it on!’ So I guess we did,” Gaetz told reporters after the successful vote.

The historic vote threw the GOP-controlled House into chaos as lawmakers struggled to figure out what to do next. The House is now in recess while members huddle behind closed doors to plot a path forward. The session ended with another surprise: It was announced that Financial Services Chair Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., a top McCarthy ally, is now the speaker pro tempore, put on a secret list McCarthy provided to the clerk in January in the event of a vacancy.

After assuming the speaker's chair, where he'll serve in an interim capacity, McHenry slammed down the gavel in anger.

Before the vote, a parade of top McCarthy allies rose to speak in favor of keeping McCarthy. House GOP Conference Chair Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y. called McCarthy a "happy warrior" who has a "uniquely American grit," while Rep. Garret Graves, R-La., praised him as "the greatest speaker in modern history."

“I recognize that my friends on the other side have a very complex set of partisan, personal and political calculations to make — and I certainly wouldn’t presume to give them any advice about that,” Rules Chairman Tom Cole, R-Okla., a top McCarthy ally who tried unsuccessfully to block Gaetz’s effort, warned on the floor before the vote.

“But I would say, ‘Think long and hard before you plunge us into chaos. Because that’s where we’re headed if we vacate the speakership.’”

Cole received big applause and a standing ovation from almost the entire GOP side of the chamber as he finished speaking.

Gaetz countered from the Democratic side of the aisle because Republicans had blocked him from the three GOP microphones on the floor, he said.

“Chaos is Speaker McCarthy. Chaos is somebody who we cannot trust with their word," Gaetz said, retorting Cole. "I don’t think voting against Kevin McCarthy is chaos. I think $33 trillion in debt is chaos. I think that facing a $2.2 trillion annual deficit is chaos.”

For weeks, Gaetz had threatened to call a vote to expel McCarthy if he passed a short-term government funding bill relying on Democratic votes. When McCarthy did just that last weekend to avert a shutdown, Gaetz moved against him.

Under House rules, McCarthy had until Wednesday to take up the resolution that Gaetz, a conservative Florida Republican and Donald Trump loyalist, filed Monday night. But McCarthy and his allies moved to rip off the Band-Aid and quickly take on the so-called motion to vacate that has consumed the Capitol.

“I get politics. I understand where people are,” McCarthy told reporters. But he added: “I truly believe the institution of the House, at the end of the day, if you throw a speaker out that has 99% of their conference, that kept government open and paid the troops, I think we’re in a really bad place.”

After holding a vigorous debate behind closed doors Tuesday morning, House Democrats announced that they would band together and vote against McCarthy instead of rescuing him from the mutiny.

“We are not saving Kevin McCarthy,” said Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., as she left the meeting.

In the Democrats’ meeting, leadership played sound of McCarthy’s Sunday interview on CBS’ “Face the Nation” where he said Democrats wanted to shut down the government in last week’s standoff, Rep. Gerry Connolly, D-Va., recounted. Many rank-and-file Democrats fumed at his remarks.

Democrats heard a range of views about what to do, but “there wasn’t anybody who came to the defense of Kevin McCarthy,” said Rep. Richard Neal, D-Mass.

“I will vote to remove Kevin McCarthy as speaker. I will not be an enabler,” Connolly said. “It is absolutely against Democratic interests and the interests of the country, from my point of view, to allow him to persist in office.”

“He’s a MAGA extremist in his politics and is the antithesis of everything we hold dear,” he continued.

Along with Gaetz, seven other Republicans voted with all of the Democrats to depose McCarthy: former conservative Freedom Caucus Chairman Andy Biggs and Rep. Eli Crane, both of Arizona; Rep. Tim Burchett of Tennessee; Rep. Bob Good of Virginia; swing district Rep. Nancy Mace of South Carolina; and Rep. Matt Rosendale of Montana.

Given how rarely the speakership has been declared vacant — the last time it happened was in 1910, when Speaker Joseph Cannon declared the chair vacant against himself — it’s unclear how this saga will play out now.

In 2015, then-Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., filed a motion to vacate resolution, but unlike this one, it was "non-privileged" and never came up for the vote. Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, resigned weeks later, McCarthy ran for speaker and then dropped out amid a different conservative rebellion, and Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., was elected speaker.

Speaking to reporters on the steps of the Capitol, Gaetz said that he could support any number of Republicans to succeed McCarthy as speaker. His list includes McCarthy's top lieutenant, Majority Leader Steve Scalise, R-La., Majority Whip Tom Emmer, R-Minn., GOP Conference Vice Chair Mike Johnson, R-La., Budget Chairman Jodey Arrington, R-Texas; Republican Study Committee Chair Kevin Hern, R-Okla.; even former Rep. Lee Zeldin, who ran unsuccessfully for governor of New York.

On Scalise, who is receiving treatment for a type of blood cancer, Gaetz said: "I want to hear from him. I'm not here to make a judgment on where Mr. Scalise stands with his rehabilitation and recovery."

"I would give him deference to be able to decide whether or not he'd like to put himself forward as a candidate," he added. "But he'd be the type of person that I could see myself supporting."

McCarthy's allies showed a range of emotions after his removal. Rep. Stephanie Bice, R-Okla., wiped away tears with a tissue on the House floor, while others privately vented in the halls to reporters. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., a McCarthy ally who has publicly clashed with Gaetz, urged the ousted speaker to run again.

"No one has come forward and no one has shown any interest in running for speaker," Greene said. "No one has the support in the conference like Kevin McCarthy does, so that's been my question the entire time: What's the plan? And there's not a plan."

https://www.aol.com/news/house-vote-today-rep-matt-150323732.html 

Hey Matt...what about term limits, can America have some of that???

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Please!!
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8trackdisco
2 years ago
The Dems get the shut down avoided (win) and then they whack the guy who led it (another win).

How many more times are the Dems going to get over on the Republicans?

The Red Wave turned into premenopausal Red Spotting. Now 13 months away from the next general election, they burn their own structure to the ground. Political Arsonists.

The Extreme Right might be as unhinged as AOC and The Squad.

Clock is ticking, Dumbpublicans. Pull your heads out of you arses.
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ZRX1200
2 years ago
Win?

More debt?

Ok…..
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8trackdisco
2 years ago

Win?

More debt?

Ok…..

ZRX1200 wrote:



The deficit is a mess. As bad as it is, it only gets worse with a government shut down/start up again.

Plus, when the government shuts down, some employees are forced to work without pay. Do you agree with that?

Bet the landscape would change quickly if the moment the government shut down, the military quit working.
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2 years ago

The Dems get the shut down avoided (win) and then the whack the guy who led it (another win). You think they should vote for their "hangman? I think they should let the R's fix this it since the D's can't help other than voting for a Republican."

How many more times are the Dems going to get over on the Republicans? Reps are not "going to get over on the Republicans." Republicans inflicted their own wounds and now the House i and is frozen.

The Red Wave turned into premenopausal Red Spotting. Now 13 months away from the next general election, they burn their own structure to the ground. Political Arsonists. Yep.

The Extreme Right might be as unhinged as AOC and The Squad. over on the Republicans." Absolutely.
Clock is ticking, Dumbpublicans. Pull your heads out of you arses.

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Gotta love Mcarthy blaming this on the D's.
The MAGA 8 are = to the Squad in terms of where they fit on in their relative political spectrum. Both are extremist, in different ways.
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RayR
2 years ago

Gotta love Mcarthy blaming this on the D's.
The MAGA 8 are = to the Squad in terms of where they fit on in their relative political spectrum. Both are extremist, in different ways.

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You know something, it used to be that if you were against war, welfare, debt, financialization, bureaucratic tyranny, cancel culture, and crony capitalist corruption, you were called a conservative or even a libertarian. Now you are called an extremist.

David Stockman is hopeful that this is the beginning of the end. I'm white-pilled hopeful too, but I'm not so sure America will be ready until it has sunk to its lowest point of progressive rot.

All Hail the Uniparty’s Demise

Bring It On, RFK Jr! (Part 1)

It was a banner weekend. The hapless House Speaker, Kevin McCarthy, triggered a veritable civil war within the GOP by surrendering to the bipartisan spenders’ caucus, while the scion of America’s most venerated political family stormed out of the Dems’ corruption-besotted encampment on the Potomac to continue his run for president as an independent candidate of the people.

So suddenly and thankfully, the malefic Washington Uniparty is on the ropes. Imperial Washington is under siege. America’s long nightmare of war, welfare, debt, financialization, bureaucratic tyranny, cancel culture and crony capitalist corruption may finally be coming to at least the beginning of the end.

More...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/10/david-stockman/all-hail-the-unipartys-demise/ 


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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

Gotta love Mcarthy blaming this on the D's.
The MAGA 8 are = to the Squad in terms of where they fit on in their relative political spectrum. Both are extremist, in different ways.

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McCarthy forgot who he was and who he was sent to serve. He wasn't appointed to play games and cut side deals. That's EXACTLY what fired up Gaetz. America has a debt problem. It's not going to be solved by kicking the can down the road any more, that was never a sound solution. We're witnesses to a generation saddled by a yoke of debt they had no hand/voice in creating. That's evil. Now, we have an illegal invasion that is a drain on every system we have and it's exploited. Housing, Healthcare, Education, Financial Aid was always a problem but we just had close (that's without counting the ones that slipped through without being caught or entered into the system) to 10 million people cross our borders. We have a sitting President that is enabling this issue by not using the DOJ to adhere to legislation on our books instead of this turning a blind eye and a party that doesn't GAF about the rule of Law. Cutting a side deal for more Ukraine aid isn't part of of an appropriation bill. That was a sneaky backdoor ramming it under the guise of "we gotta git this done now" mantra that has put us in the situation we're in as a nation. Gaetz ran (and operates) as a conservative Republican. His constituents voted him in for exactly what he's doing. If it means gutting the office of Speaker of the House because he's unbound by rationality then so be it. McCarthy has made so many rumblings about the "thin ice" he was on and the tapdancing associated with it. He dared Gaetz to "Bring it on" and he FA&FO didn't he?

Comparing the 8 Republicans (I refuse to use the Biden term MAGA because according to his own words he's a "uniter" and all that does is alienate and label people that don't deserve it!) to The Squad. They are radical and believe themselves above decorum by staging events to get arrested, pay for criminal behavior, spit out nonfactual rhetoric because the media laps it up, and lied to get the offices they ran for and the crimes committed to get there. You call them extremist, I call them principled. Principled in fact to remove the Speaker of the House, which could hurt (but I'm willing to admit that it furthers) their political livelihood.

Potatoe pohtato, but the 8 did what they felt was in the best interest of the Nation. I cannot say the same for anything The Squad has ever done.
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