Robert,

The main difference is that Judaism and Christianity have had their reformations and have joined the modern world, abandoning most of their non-modern ways.

Islam, not so much... Still stuck in the 7th century. Ergo Taqiyya like the hospital "bombing."

Crazy how an Islamic reformation isn’t a comfortable conversation…for some people.

#21 & #22

First of all both you guys seem like good eggs to me.

And I completely forgot that the Wests bombs are so forward thinking, and cosmopolitan.

If I'm going to be blown to bits as a non-combatant I want it to be for enlightened ideals, like resource and land acquisition, or corporate profits. :)

I donated to Talib and Ohmar today with their fundraising ads now that they got caught saying stupid 💩……

If broads in America can’t be dumb, what has this cųņtry come to?!!!

I'm all for a cease-fire... when all the hamas goat F'ers are dead, the firing should cease.

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Should have never let them vote.

Best I recall there was a cease fire in place on 10/07/23, until Hamas broke it.

I think that is a total misuse of that phrase as it is applied to war- just to suit your narrative of similiarity between the Jewish and Muslim ethics.

One better example of using the phrase in the proper context is what I read about: Such as breaking the law by running a red light to get your wife to the hospital in time to give safe birth.

For a primer on Judaism and war see post #8 at:

https://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/668636/Jewish-Brothers-Israel-Question

^^^^

I've said what I think in 20 & 24--nothing new to add. I will check your link though. Thanks.

Anybody been following the insurrection at the White House by the Lefty pro-Hamas wing where they stormed the gates, tried to climb the fence to get at the president, made a bloody mess and attempted to destroy duhmacracy?

Fake Blood Stains Left on White House Gates After Massive Anti-War Protest Days Earlier

Jamie Frevele
Nov 6th, 2023, 10:22 am



Luckily the regime's Justice Dept. is on the job rounding up the perpetrators...

Here's A List Of All The Pro-Palestine Protesters Who Are Being Prosecuted For Attempting To Storm The White House

Why now is not the time for a cease-fire in Gaza


Orlando Sebtinel Opinion Page
The phrase “never again” has been in the Jewish lexicon for decades, and often adopted by many causes. It gained prominence in the aftermath of the Holocaust as a pledge to be fulfilled, in large part, by the reestablishment of the State of Israel.

But what do the words truly mean? Certainly, no people — particularly a people representing a small and frequently targeted minority — can realistically promise to never again be victimized.

Rather than that unachievable aspiration, the words represent the promise that the Jewish people will never again consent to victimhood. Never again will the Jewish people stand idle as others seek their destruction. Never again will Jews lack a place of refuge in the world. And never again will the Jews fail to fight back when their home is attacked.

In the wake of the Hamas terror attacks, the phrase has been reactivated with an amendment: “Never again is now.” The Jewish State has been attacked, and continues to be attacked, by enemies who seek its outright destruction. Israel cannot and will not fail in its promise to protect the Jewish people. Israel will fight back, eliminate the threat, and ensure the safety and security of the Jewish people. Never again is now.

Four weeks into Israel’s effort to fulfill its promise, many have begun to cry “enough.” The words “cease fire,” motivated by both anti-Israel animus and blind and naivete, are chanted and emblazoned on signs in gatherings of protest, and uttered by elected officials.

Israel’s work, however, is not yet done. Hamas, after slaying 1,400 and kidnapping 240 Israelis (ranging from infants to the elderly), has, in their typical cowardly fashion, hidden in tunnels beneath Gaza’s hospitals, mosques and schools. As we see it, their goals are clear: (1) blackmail Israel with hostages, (2) regroup and rearm, (3) attack Israel again at the earliest opportunity, and (4) eliminate the Jewish State. The threat is not gone. Israel’s work is not done. Never again is now.

Despite Hamas’ ongoing threat, which it expresses publicly and unambiguously, many nonetheless continue to cry “enough.” They assert that the cost in civilian lives outweighs Israel’s objectives. To that sentiment, Israel cannot yield. Israel, as it always has, will do all it can to minimize civilian casualties. This is an exceedingly difficult task when fighting an enemy that deliberately uses its own people as human shields, valuing “martyrdom” over life.

Golda Meir once famously stated that the most unforgivable act of Israel’s enemies was “forcing us to kill their children.” That is precisely what Hamas is purposefully and unapologetically doing right now.

And so, with heavy hearts, Israel must persist. The threat is not gone. Our people are not safe. Now is not the time for a cease fire.

Never again is now.

I firmly believe the Biden Administration is meddling to the point of restricting the IDF carrying out what needs to be done.

I think there is a different political angle at play that represents a tacit green-light or refusal to red-light- while telling both the U.S. and the world we are asking for "a humanitarian pause," which Israel won't grant. End of story for now.

And here is theblindingly apparent truth, straight from Hamas...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-gaza-war.html 

If you don't have NYT access, here is a summary of the article with the relevant quotes form Hamas:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-it-staged-massacres-to-cause-permanent-state-of-war-on-israels-borders/ 

Such as:

"We succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue back on the table, and now no one in the region is experiencing calm,” Al-Hayya said

and

“I hope that the state of war with Israel will become permanent on all the borders, and that the Arab world will stand with us,” Hamas media consultant Taher El-Nounou told The Times

and

“Hamas’s goal is not to run Gaza and to bring it water and electricity and such,” al-Hayya added

and

“It did not seek to improve the situation in Gaza. This battle is to completely overthrow the situation.”

IDK....





President Biden in a phone call this week urged Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to implement a three-day pause in fighting. This was revealed by multiple sources to Axios Tuesday, and Biden's request appears to have been rejected, given the call took place Monday and Israel has since reaffirmed there will be no truce until the hostages held by Hamas are released.

"According to a proposal that is being discussed between the U.S., Israel and Qatar, Hamas would release 10-15 hostages and use the three-day pause to verify the identities of all the hostages and deliver a list of names of the people it is holding, the U.S. official said," according to the report.

But Netanyahu on Tuesday gave a speech declaring that his forces were "reaching deeper than Hamas ever imagined" a hailed the killing of thousands of Hamas terrorists and commanders. "There will not be a ceasefire without the return of our kidnapped," he emphasized in a message "to our enemies and our friends alike."

Israel's Defense Minister Yoav Gallant had at the same time declared that the IDF is fighting "in the heart" of Gaza City and is "tightening the noose" around Hamas.

Concerning the Monday phone call, Axios revealed further, "The two U.S. and Israeli officials said Netanyahu told Biden he doesn't trust Hamas' intentions and doesn't believe they are ready to agree to a deal regarding the hostages."

The Israeli leader "also said that Israel could lose the current international support it has for the operation if the fighting stops for three days, the officials said." Netanyahu further voiced to Biden that in 2014 Hamas took advantage of a humanitarian pause to kidnap an Israeli soldier and kidnap others.

The official White House call readout from the Biden-Netanyahu meeting only said the two leaders "discussed ongoing efforts to secure the release of hostages held by Hamas" - but without offering further details.

Of the estimated total 240 captives, Hamas has so far released four hostages, reportedly in large part through Qatar's mediation, but lately US officials have said progress has stalled since then.

Footage released today by the IDF showing Israeli Ground Troops alongside Armored Vehicles and Tanks having Captured a Block of Al-Rasheed Street along the Coast of Gaza City, meaning that IDF Ground Units have Penetrated much Deeper into the West of the City and the Northern… pic.twitter.com/nztCbFYDWi
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) November 7, 2023

Israel says it was able to free a female soldier during the initial phase of ground operations, while reports have said that in some cases deceased hostages have been found, possibly due to airstrikes.

Hamas has meanwhile continued to publish short videos of what the group says are successful ambush attacks on tanks and armored convoy units, also showing close urban combat, but typically with IDF ground troops nowhere to be seen. The IDF appears to be advancing into Gaza City purely with armor, and presumably with ground infantry troops staying in the rear until a city area is initially prepared through tank, artillery, and airstrikes.

On Wednesday Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the US stands by Israel in rejecting calls for a full ceasefire. "Israel has repeatedly told us that there is no going back to October (7) before the barbaric attacks by Hamas -- we fully agree," he said. He then said of G7 counterparts, "We all agreed humanitarian pauses would advance key objectives."


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/netanyahu-rejects-biden-request-3-day-pause-gaza-war-idf-tightens-noose 

You'll notice the invention of the term "humanitarian pause" by the Biden regime. A euphemism for "ceasefire" created by Ministry of Truth.

It's what George Orwell called "Political language" which "is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."

It's what George Carlin termed "Soft language"

I think Israel should "pause, but only to get all hostages and bodies returned to Israel.
Then, F 'em- until Hamas is killed and Northern Gaza is no longer inhabitable.

Can you trust Hamas to abide by a pause to return and swap hostages and bodies? I wouldn't.

I'm not a war monger but I don't trust terrorist groups to abide by any rules of peace or war. If you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

P.S. You missed a nine!