rfenst
2 years ago

Why would you even vote in a rep primary? You're clearly a lefty.

MACS wrote:



I am a registered Republican because there is not one, single, non-Republican, elected official in my county (Seminole).

Every Republican who is on the county ballot wins. Period.

Registering as a Republican allows me to vote in the Primaries to choose the final Republican candidate. Those Primaries are effectively the REAL election.

I want my vote to count.

rfenst
2 years ago

The wildcard in this is the threat of the No Labels party getting into the ring if Biden and Trump are doing a rematch.

8trackdisco wrote:


If Liz Cheney were to run, would you consider voting for her?
I would.
RiverRatRuss
2 years ago

If Liz Cheney were to run, would you consider voting for her?
I would.

rfenst wrote:



No Considering her voting stance since taking office, she's a wolf in sheeps clothing and I never liked her dad's Policys when he was in politics... wanna go hunting?? 🤦 🇨🇮
RiverRatRuss
2 years ago
8, I grew up in a Republican Household. my Dad was a Precinct committeeman in Peoria IL growing up.

for years I voted straight republican until the Regan era and looking back and being so young to not realize Regan had his **** together... I voted for Ross Parot... 🤦 this put Clinton in Office and we all know what happened in his politics two terms... 🤦

I worked the Allan Keys Campaign for Senate here in Illinlos when the Illinois repbub party put him on the ballet late running against Obama, Obama during the campaign lost every debate with Keys, yet voted in as Senator? I then worked on Mike Psak Campaign for Senate against Dinosaur Durbin/ during Mikes run we had a meeting towards the end of campaign were Mike says, Durbans People reached out to him and offered him $5M to drop out? he says he did not accept the offers from the Illinois DNC? but you could feel the momentum shift leading up to election night?? Now last I heard Mike Psak left the states for a teaching job in Japan. 🤔

I have since been an Independent thinker and see there really is NOT a two party system in our Government any longer!!!

But Faith has myself leaning towards a Nikki Hailey Vote if she lasts??
rfenst
2 years ago

No Considering her voting stance since taking office, she's a wolf in sheeps clothing and I never liked her dad's Policys when he was in politics... wanna go hunting?? 🤦 🇨🇮

RiverRatRuss wrote:


Which voting stance(s)?
RayR
2 years ago
I heard NEOCON NIKKI is a war monger, George W. Bush and ****** Cheney in heels, a scalawag, a neoliberal, she wants the federal government to control free speech, she wants to force social media companies to spy on all their users, and end anonymity so they can collect useful information for the spy agencies in the swamp in case there are foreign BOTS in there, you know... spreading disinformation.

Tucker Carlson said Nikki Haley should not be in charge of anything, "Because, the second things get intense, the second the other side really unleashes and starts yelling so loudly that you can’t think clearly, I want a leader who can still think clearly.”

I agree, as she has done before, as soon as the noisy nimrods on the left get to screaming, she'll change her position 180 degrees, says we all need to feel their pain and share collective guilt and then make excuses why she needs to cave to their demands.

https://theiowastandard.com/tucker-warned-iowans-nikki-haley-should-not-be-in-charge-of-anything-due-to-personal-and-painful-for-everyone-tweet-regarding-george-floyd/

Yep, from the killings done by Dylann Roof which led to Haley having the Confederate battle flag taken down from the South Carolina statehouse, which was a complete reversal from her earlier position on the flag to George Floyd, you can only count on her to stand for nothing and cave to the left.
MACS
2 years ago
See... I stayed out of this thread because that Trumpian moniker pisses me off.

His policies were working. No new wars. Peace treaty in the middle east. Secure border. Unemployment down.

And this, despite the fact the media, big tech, and the political establishment lied, cheated and made sh*t up to get him out of office. It didn't work, so then they made up more sh*t about an insurrection and have rogue DA's filing bogus lawsuits while 2 states have tried to get him off the ballot completely...

Let's not forget the PLANdemic they unleashed on the world when all else was failing and they needed fear to control the weak minded.

Every president BUT Trump had their net worth go UP in office. He can't be bought and the asspipes on both sides of the aisle don't want him upsetting their freebie apple cart.

Voted for him twice. Will do so again, given the opportunity. You think that makes me a Trumpian? Because I didn't believe the lies and I support a guy whose policies had us doing a lot better than the current demented, treasonous criminal?

Okay.
8trackdisco
2 years ago

If Liz Cheney were to run, would you consider voting for her?
I would.

rfenst wrote:



Consider it? Sure. The only people I’ve truly ruled out are Biden, Ramaswarmy, and Trump. I would eliminate Christie as well, but he’s got the most electable position on abortion of all the reds.
8trackdisco
2 years ago

8, I grew up in a Republican Household. my Dad was a Precinct committeeman in Peoria IL growing up.

for years I voted straight republican until the Regan era and looking back and being so young to not realize Regan had his **** together... I voted for Ross Parot... 🤦 this put Clinton in Office and we all know what happened in his politics two terms... 🤦

I worked the Allan Keys Campaign for Senate here in Illinlos when the Illinois repbub party put him on the ballet late running against Obama, Obama during the campaign lost every debate with Keys, yet voted in as Senator? I then worked on Mike Psak Campaign for Senate against Dinosaur Durbin/ during Mikes run we had a meeting towards the end of campaign were Mike says, Durbans People reached out to him and offered him $5M to drop out? he says he did not accept the offers from the Illinois DNC? but you could feel the momentum shift leading up to election night?? Now last I heard Mike Psak left the states for a teaching job in Japan. 🤔

I have since been an Independent thinker and see there really is NOT a two party system in our Government any longer!!!

But Faith has myself leaning towards a Nikki Hailey Vote if she lasts??

RiverRatRuss wrote:



My moms side were all Dems. Dads was right of center, but in the end voted for Dems and Reps almost equally.
I also voted for Perot. Voting for him did Not put Clinton in the WH. It’s was Bush, with his Read My Lip, No New Taxes. We know how THAT turned out.

I’ve only voted for one Republican for president one time since I voted for that lying Batturd in 88, and never voted for a Dem presidential candidate for president.

Keeping an open mind (a real oddity in this forum) and evolve as the process works it’s way along.

8trackdisco
2 years ago

See... I stayed out of this thread because that Trumpian moniker pisses me off.

His policies were working. No new wars. Peace treaty in the middle east. Secure border. Unemployment down.

And this, despite the fact the media, big tech, and the political establishment lied, cheated and made sh*t up to get him out of office. It didn't work, so then they made up more sh*t about an insurrection and have rogue DA's filing bogus lawsuits while 2 states have tried to get him off the ballot completely...

Let's not forget the PLANdemic they unleashed on the world when all else was failing and they needed fear to control the weak minded.

Every president BUT Trump had their net worth go UP in office. He can't be bought and the asspipes on both sides of the aisle don't want him upsetting their freebie apple cart.

Voted for him twice. Will do so again, given the opportunity. You think that makes me a Trumpian? Because I didn't believe the lies and I support a guy whose policies had us doing a lot better than the current demented, treasonous criminal?

Okay.

MACS wrote:



Happy you chimed in. I’m with you on part of it. The policies like the border being secured, the no fly list, finding a way to get us out of the Middle East (forget we’ve got troops in several sandy countries still today).

Where we are different is on January 6. When he said “we” are going to March to the capitol, and let chit get out of hand and when he could have called everyone to stand down, there wouldn’t have anything near a conversation on whether this met the criteria of an insurrection. Add to that calling election officials on Georgia to find 12,000 votes.

There is an oath about protecting against all threats, foreign and domestic. Would have hated to see how that all could have potentially gone down if he decided to stay in office.

Hate the potential position retired veterans would have felt compelled to do if the whole thing took one more step onto the brink.
BuckyB93
2 years ago
My parents have always been independents. They didn't want to be tied to any single party. When I was young, I once asked my Mom who she voted for. She explained to me that voting is a personal and private right. A personal and private choice that nobody can take away you. She wouldn't tell me. "I don't have to tell you, I don't have to even have to tell your Dad who I voted for". I asked the same question to my Dad. I got a similar answer. They weren't scolding me. They were just teaching me that voting is a private right and you should always vote on voting day no matter what.

They never revealed to me who they voted for. I respected that attitude and embrace it in my attitude. With that said, based on their behavior I would be pretty confident in guessing that they are right leaning on many issues but also left leaning on other issues.

I too am registered as non-affiliated or unenrolled (I think one of those is the label they use in MA rather than independent). I've voted for Dems, Repubs, Independents... I vote with my conscience, beliefs, and for the person rather than blindly vote for any particular party. With that said, I lean to the right on my fiscal side of things and to the left in my social side of things. Be fiscally conservative and socially liberal (to a point on both issues). Both major parties have gone pretty wacky on the extremes of these issues in recent history which I don't like.

Here in MA, my vote doesn't really count when it comes to federal elections. MA is heavily and deeply in the pocket of the Dems for federal positions. Deeply in the pocket of the Dems for state positions. Pretty much in the pocket of the Dems for local positions.

The western part of the state and smaller towns have a good portion or balance between right and left but they are primarily over ruled by the more populated towns and cities within the of the state that are heavily Democrats. Knowing that my vote doesn't really count much for the larger elections (I do write ins like Daffy Duck, My Dog, a name of a respected friend, etc...), I try to focus my real votes on local elections, regional elections and referendums where my vote might actually count.
RayR
2 years ago
rfenst, do you consider yourself in your mind a conservative? I mean you admitted you'd consider voting for one of those FAUX-CONS, Nikki Haley or Liz Cheney who aside from pandering to Republicans on domestic issues on how terrible Biden's policies are, when push comes to shove, would just assume do the lefts bidding then stick up for any true conservative principles.

Although she has said she is “pro-life,”, She even has called for a “national consensus” when it comes to a federal abortion ban. I thought the overturning of Roe vs Wade sent the abortion issue back to the states where if anywhere it belongs and not nationalizing it.

She wasn't very good at being “pro-life" when she was in the U.N. either.as this article points out.

Nikki Haley Is No Conservative
by Austin Ruse

https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/nikki-haley-is-no-conservative 

Nikki Haley criticizes Republican congressman and senators for being spend thrifts and blaming them for their part in driving up the national debt, which is true enough but at the same time supporting interventionist foreign polices overseas that has cost trillions of dollars and American lives.

This op-ed points out her dangerous authoritarian impulses also which I agree she has.

EDITORIAL: Nikki Haley, a foreign policy hawk and foe of free speech, isn't a great alternative to Trump or Biden

Opinion by The Whittier Daily News, Calif.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/editorial-nikki-haley-a-foreign-policy-hawk-and-foe-of-free-speech-isnt-a-great-alternative-to-trump-or-biden/ar-AA1kjqeY 

MACS
2 years ago
Brother... that "insurrection" was a setup. Watch the newly released videos. Watch some of the congressional hearings with the FBI where they have no idea how many of their "operatives" were in that crowd.

Why were the entirety of those tapes not released immediately to show everything? Then they couldn't sell the "insurrection".

I don't trust our government. Not the D's or the R's. I do trust my eyes. Why the hell would ANY billionaire subject himself to the BS Trump has gone through at the hands of our government and its cronies in the media and big tech? Most would have rolled over, quit fighting, and went about their happy lives with their billions of dollars.

Can we agree the Russian Hoax was paid for by Hillary? Can we agree Schiff lied through his teeth to get the second impeachment going? Can we agree that the media is, and was, against him from jump street? Can we agree that raiding Mar-A-Lago was BS and then the subsequent hush that fell over the media when Biden had classified docs, too?

You get punched in the face, you curl into a ball or you punch back? He's been punched repeatedly and he keeps punching back.

Imagine, if you will... what could have been if they just accepted the loss and didn't try all the BS they tried.
RiverRatRuss
2 years ago

Which voting stance(s)?

rfenst wrote:



Her Stance on Policy's do not line up with mine. I'll just leave it at that 🇨🇮


http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Liz-Cheney-412732 



https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/liz_cheney/412732/report-card/2020 
RiverRatRuss
2 years ago

Brother... that "insurrection" was a setup. Watch the newly released videos. Watch some of the congressional hearings with the FBI where they have no idea how many of their "operatives" were in that crowd.

Why were the entirety of those tapes not released immediately to show everything? Then they couldn't sell the "insurrection".

I don't trust our government. Not the D's or the R's. I do trust my eyes. Why the hell would ANY billionaire subject himself to the BS Trump has gone through at the hands of our government and its cronies in the media and big tech? Most would have rolled over, quit fighting, and went about their happy lives with their billions of dollars.

Can we agree the Russian Hoax was paid for by Hillary? Can we agree Schiff lied through his teeth to get the second impeachment going? Can we agree that the media is, and was, against him from jump street? Can we agree that raiding Mar-A-Lago was BS and then the subsequent hush that fell over the media when Biden had classified docs, too?

You get punched in the face, you curl into a ball or you punch back? He's been punched repeatedly and he keeps punching back.

Imagine, if you will... what could have been if they just accepted the loss and didn't try all the BS they tried.

MACS wrote:



^ Agreed, I liked allot of Trumps policy's and had he been left alone (or is he would have stayed off of Twitter it would have been better for him, because this Liberal Media with their own agenda's used and are using EVERY WORD the man says as Cannon Fodder at this point and if America would wake up. Our Constitution is really what's going on Trial Here!!!
HockeyDad
2 years ago
While worrying about whether the Republicans can win, perhaps the question is do the Republicans want to win.

2008 McCain/Palin

2012 Romney/Ryan

2016 The Republican Party political and donor classes did everything they could think of to block Trump from winning the nomination including a brokered convention. They were fine with losing to Hilary Clinton to keep Trump out.

2020 Hard to keep track anymore about how many factions colluded to get Trump out of office. In most nations we would call it a bloodless coup. We should be happy that we still have the right to vote.

2022 Red Wave. (#winning)

2024 once again the Republican political and donor classes are lining up against Trump to keep him out and have Nikki Haley lose to Joe Biden. The Democrats are happily working along side them to throw Trump in prison.


Trump’s screwed this up and the Republican Party wants to get back to honorably losing and playing the role of the opposition.
RiverRatRuss
2 years ago

While worrying about whether the Republicans can win, perhaps the question is do the Republicans want to win.

2008 McCain/Palin

2012 Romney/Ryan

2016 The Republican Party political and donor classes did everything they could think of to block Trump from winning the nomination including a brokered convention. They were fine with losing to Hilary Clinton to keep Trump out.

2020 Hard to keep track anymore about how many factions colluded to get Trump out of office. In most nations we would call it a bloodless coup. We should be happy that we still have the right to vote.

2022 Red Wave. (#winning)

2024 once again the Republican political and donor classes are lining up against Trump to keep him out and have Nikki Haley lose to Joe Biden. The Democrats are happily working along side them to throw Trump in prison.


Trump’s screwed this up and the Republican Party wants to get back to honorably losing and playing the role of the opposition.

HockeyDad wrote:




^Exactly there really isn't a Dem Vs. Repub two party system in America any longer the two party system is Corporate Vs. The American People...

Rebubs have been faltering for years I basically call most of them "Wolves in Sheep Clothing" and they are not hard to spot any longer because they do not see any repercussions to their actions as long as they stay with the DC agenda's... there will be no reprisals!!! and if it looks like they might lose their constituents in the coming elections? they change the voting district maps for their area's... 🤔
8trackdisco
2 years ago

Brother... that "insurrection" was a setup. Watch the newly released videos. Watch some of the congressional hearings with the FBI where they have no idea how many of their "operatives" were in that crowd.

Why were the entirety of those tapes not released immediately to show everything? Then they couldn't sell the "insurrection".

I don't trust our government. Not the D's or the R's. I do trust my eyes. Why the hell would ANY billionaire subject himself to the BS Trump has gone through at the hands of our government and its cronies in the media and big tech? Most would have rolled over, quit fighting, and went about their happy lives with their billions of dollars.

Can we agree the Russian Hoax was paid for by Hillary? Can we agree Schiff lied through his teeth to get the second impeachment going? Can we agree that the media is, and was, against him from jump street? Can we agree that raiding Mar-A-Lago was BS and then the subsequent hush that fell over the media when Biden had classified docs, too?

You get punched in the face, you curl into a ball or you punch back? He's been punched repeatedly and he keeps punching back.

Imagine, if you will... what could have been if they just accepted the loss and didn't try all the BS they tried.

MACS wrote:



The Insurrection or Non Insurrection. In short (for me) is you don’t have discuss how many operatives were there, or how much video there is of this or that, if he didn’t light the initial fuse. The root cause was him saying We are going to march on the capitol. He doesn’t do that, none of the other stuff happens. And he reveled in it. It’s all a Scarface like power kick for him. Not only did he start it, he chose not to stop it.

Do I trust of government? Easy one. No. Period.

Was the Russia Hoax paid for by Hillary? I don’t know or care. Hillary is at the top of the least trustworthy politicians ever. She is America’s Rasputin. I want five autopsies on her from five different, unrelated sources to prove she is actually dead.

Schiff? A guy who I watched once or twice and makes my blood boil, so I don’t know.

Media? Nothing was better for Fox and MSNBC than Trump as president. They both benefited financially. Anybody who watches the majority of their political content from either source cares more for spin than they do for knowledge. I challenge anyone to take in multiple resources of media to get different perspectives, and challenge what you believe. As much as people bicth about the left and the echo chamber on MSNBC and CNN, Fox and CigarBid are just as echoey on the right. All of us have played a role in chasing out 98.2% of the voices of the left from Cbid. Are we now better for it? Nope. You’ll never learn anything new if you surround yourself with people who agree with you all of the time. There aren’t any sources without a bias, but with some due diligence, you can find some with a limited bias. Which helps expand your view and get to understand nuance and different perspectives. It isn’t a zero sum game. One person isn’t right and the other person has to be wrong.

Raiding Mar A Lago. 100% in favor of it. From my understanding, he knowingly left the WH with documents he shouldn’t have. And wtf is this “he was negotiating the return of the documents”. You don’t negotiate chit. You shouldn’t have them. If, by total accident, you inadvertently found them in you procession at home, you find the fastest and securely available source to get them back as priority 1. Biden did it too?! IDGAF. He shouldn’t have done it either. Comparing your political messiah to your political devil only sets you up for a low bar of moral equivalency and is intellectually lazy. If we were in first grade, it still wouldn’t hold water with the teacher.

Punch for punch? An eye for an eye? That is where we are as a country. How are you enjoying it? We are getting, sicker, angrier and we’ve never had this level of Death By Despair in our history. We are on a decidedly unhealthy track. Having Weekend at Bernie’s or 15 Diet Cokes a Day Guy doesn’t help us get better.
RiverRatRuss
2 years ago

The Insurrection or Non Insurrection. In short (for me) is you don’t have discuss how many operatives were there, or how much video there is of this or that, if he didn’t light the initial fuse. The root cause was him saying We are going to march on the capitol. He doesn’t do that, none of the other stuff happens. And he reveled in it. It’s all a Scarface like power kick for him. Not only did he start it, he chose not to stop it.

Do I trust of government? Easy one. No. Period.

Was the Russia Hoax paid for by Hillary? I don’t know or care. Hillary is at the top of the least trustworthy politicians ever. She is America’s Rasputin. I want five autopsies on her from five different, unrelated sources to prove she is actually dead.

Schiff? A guy who I watched once or twice and makes my blood boil, so I don’t know.

Media? Nothing was better for Fox and MSNBC than Trump as president. They both benefited financially. Anybody who watches the majority of their political content from either source cares more for spin than they do for knowledge. I challenge anyone to take in multiple resources of media to get different perspectives, and challenge what you believe. As much as people bicth about the left and the echo chamber on MSNBC and CNN, Fox and CigarBid are just as echoey on the right. All of us have played a role in chasing out 98.2% of the voices of the left from Cbid. Are we now better for it? Nope. You’ll never learn anything new if you surround yourself with people who agree with you all of the time. There aren’t any sources without a bias, but with some due diligence, you can find some with a limited bias. Which helps expand your view and get to understand nuance and different perspectives. It isn’t a zero sum game. One person isn’t right and the other person has to be wrong.

Raiding Mar A Lago. 100% in favor of it. From my understanding, he knowingly left the WH with documents he shouldn’t have. And wtf is this “he was negotiating the return of the documents”. You don’t negotiate chit. You shouldn’t have them. If, by total accident, you inadvertently found them in you procession at home, you find the fastest and securely available source to get them back as priority 1. Biden did it too?! IDGAF. He shouldn’t have done it either. Comparing your political messiah to your political devil only sets you up for a low bar of moral equivalency and is intellectually lazy. If we were in first grade, it still wouldn’t hold water with the teacher.

Punch for punch? An eye for an eye? That is where we are as a country. How are you enjoying it? We are getting, sicker, angrier and we’ve never had this level of Death By Despair in our history. We are on a decidedly unhealthy track. Having Weekend at Bernie’s or 15 Diet Cokes a Day Guy doesn’t help us get better.

8trackdisco wrote:




^ Well said 8... 🇨🇮
MACS
2 years ago
I've been saying for years FOX is not right wing. AT ALL. They are just less leftist than the rest of them, so it seems that way.

Any news channel on mainstream media just irritates the sheit out of me. I do not watch any of them.
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