Judaism began before the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians.

rfenst wrote:

Abrahm> Issac> Jacob...

Judaism began before the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians.

Also: "The biblical patriarch Isaac is recognized as a prophet of God by Muslims. As in Judaism and Christianity, Islam maintains that Isaac was the son of the patriarch and prophet Abraham from his wife Sarah."

rfenst wrote:

Not impossible. But, Jewish lore was that it was written by Moses.

I am just leading with the the arguments that I believe support my position best to the greatest audience possible.

rfenst wrote:

Old Testament vs Torah.
How are they similar/different?

8trackdisco wrote:

Here’s a non PC question for those who don’t support Israel’s right to exist or Jews in general. Anybody that looks at them anywhere in the range of Meh to full on anti-semites.

If you want the Jewish state to fail, and get the Jews out of Israel, where exactly do you want them to go?

The ironic redneck answer might be “back where they came from”. But seriously?

8trackdisco wrote:

I think, though the above is true, the Arabs are thought to descend from Abraham (Abram at the time) through a son named Ishmael, born to Sarah's handmaiden Hagar as Sarah was thought to be past the age of fertility
...yadda yadda yadda...
but then Sarah did conceive and that son was Isaac (Yitzhak), Hagar and Ishmael were eventually cast out and Ishmael became the father of Arabs which eventually produced Mohammed who founded the Islamic religion...

or so I heard.

frankj1 wrote:

Old Testament vs Torah.
How are they similar/different?

8trackdisco wrote:

... The first few words we learned were "In the beginning..."
So essentially they combined language, history and religion into one curriculum.

frankj1 wrote:

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Bere****

(בְּרֵאשִׁית‎—Hebrew for "in beginning" or "in the beginning," is the first word of Genesis.

rfenst wrote:

exactly.
so the answer to Russ's question is that what others call The Old Testament we call the Torah...both are the Five Books of Moses, or The Hebrew Bible.

I have jokingly called it The Prequel on many occasions here.

frankj1 wrote:

Indeed you have. And I think rightly so... as it foreshadows Jesus' coming several times.

MACS wrote:

Robert, had you used the original pronunciation of that Hebrew word, Bereshis, it would not have been ***ed out.
Several letters from the Hebrew alphabet had duplicate sounds and a few alterations were made after I finished Hebrew school.

frankj1 wrote:

Indeed you have. And I think rightly so... as it foreshadows Jesus' coming several times.

MACS wrote:

This thread has taken a thoughtful, questioning turn. I like that. Are Bereshis and B-T from different historical timeframes, or just regionally different from the same historical timeframe?

Speyside2 wrote: