ZRX1200
2 years ago
Two Iranian generals were killed in Syria before this…

They knowingly poked the goat fuggers so I’m guessing they were prepared for this.
Gene363
2 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGmhK8dvgp4

PapaWhiskey wrote:



Yup. I watched the game video.
8trackdisco
2 years ago
At least we signed that aid package for Israel. They should be fine.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
I’m going to Disney tomorrow. WW3 can wait a day.
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
The SAUDIS HAVE MUCHO ON THE LINE...

DIRTY BOMBs OR NUCLEAR BOMBS INTERCEPTED before they reach Israel could really put the kibosh on all their oil reserves...
Neither Iran or Israel have neutron bombs...
The ones that kill all life but don't screw up the environment...

The Saudi's are between a rock and a hard place..
All their money depends on
NON RADIOACTIVE OIL TO SELL ...IF IT GETS RADIATED THEY ARE SCREWED
ZRX1200
2 years ago
The important thing is, how do we leverage this for more bucks for the Ukraine money laundering scheme?
rfenst
2 years ago
U.S. and Great Britain sent planes to shoot down drowns and missiles over Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and/or Jordanian.
So, now we are directly involved.
Not good.
MaduroJorge
2 years ago

Israel's downing of 99% of the drone and missile attack from the Mullahs
is the result of REPUBLICAN President Ronal Reagan sponsoring some 40 yrs ago,
the Strategic Defense Initiative and other projects,defending against incoming missiles.

The Democrat geniuses fought him every step of the way, on R&D funding etc.
But The Gipper , as in many other projects, thankfully prevailed!!
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
Financed by the US taxpayer 100%.

FJB
Gene363
2 years ago

Financed by the US taxpayer 100%.

FJB

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Both sides, Iran with the crap-tons of cash FJB and Obama handed Iran.
MaduroJorge
2 years ago

Both sides, Iran with the crap-tons of cash FJB and Obama handed Iran.

Gene363 wrote:




That's right President Trump:

Placed sanctions On Iran, that nearly bankrupted the Mullahs
Ceased funding UNWRA for Palestine(Hamas)
Closed Palestinian Authority branch in NY

FJB undid it all plus threatened Israel with an arms embargo
Abrignac
2 years ago

Israel's downing of 99% of the drone and missile attack from the Mullahs
is the result of REPUBLICAN President Ronal Reagan sponsoring some 40 yrs ago,
the Strategic Defense Initiative and other projects,defending against incoming missiles.

The Democrat geniuses fought him every step of the way, on R&D funding etc.
But The Gipper , as in many other projects, thankfully prevailed!!

MaduroJorge wrote:



I could be wrong but wasn’t SDI mostly a ruse to get the Ruskies to tank their economy by trying to keep up with a non-existent high tech ploy?
MaduroJorge
2 years ago
you are right. . it was some bluffing as the technolgy to operate such a system was not fully developed ... But many land based missile interceptor
stations with sensors in space are in use today.
But, who knows what we have out there?
HockeyDad
2 years ago

U.S. and Great Britain sent planes to shoot down drowns and missiles over Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and/or Jordanian.
So, now we are directly involved.
Not good.

rfenst wrote:



No big deal. Reuters is reporting that Iran informed Turkey of the attack and Turkey informed the US and Biden green lighted the attack on Israel as long as it was within certain limits.


This is more like a Broadway play than World War 3.

Sucks to be Israel right now but….. vote Joe Biden. Israel is gonna get some Build Back Better.
MACS
2 years ago
Orange man says mean things on twitter!!

But he worked peace deals in the middle east, everything was cheaper, and our country wasn't being invaded.

You people who hate the dude, wake the f--- up. He's an arrogant asspipe, but he was DOING all the right things.

Anyone who thinks the country is better under Biden is an absolute MORON.
JGRAZ
2 years ago

Orange man says mean things on twitter!!

But he worked peace deals in the middle east, everything was cheaper, and our country wasn't being invaded.

You people who hate the dude, wake the f--- up. He's an arrogant asspipe, but he was DOING all the right things.

Anyone who thinks the country is better under Biden is an absolute MORON.

MACS wrote:



Amen brother
rfenst
2 years ago

No big deal. Reuters is reporting that Iran informed Turkey of the attack and Turkey informed the US and Biden green lighted the attack on Israel as long as it was within certain limits.


This is more like a Broadway play than World War 3.

Sucks to be Israel right now but….. vote Joe Biden. Israel is gonna get some Build Back Better.

HockeyDad wrote:




Iran did not provide US with attack warning or targets, White House says


Reuters April 15, 2024

WASHINGTON, April 15 (Reuters) - Iran did not provide warnings to the United States last week about its timeframe for launching an attack on Israel or its potential targets, the White House said on Monday.

White House national security spokesperson John Kirby told reporters that the United States did exchange messages with Iran but that there were never any messages regarding Iran's timeframe or targets for its weekend attack.

Kirby would not be drawn into explaining what the messages were about. He said that reports suggesting Iran tipped off the United States about its plans were "categorically false" and "malarkey."
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"Iran never gave us a message giving us the time or the targets," said Kirby. "This whole narrative out there that Iran passed us a message about what they were going to do is ridiculous."

Turkish, Jordanian and Iraqi officials said on Sunday that Iran gave wide notice days before its drone and missile attack on Israel, but U.S. officials said Tehran did not warn Washington and that it was aiming to cause significant damage.


Iranian sources told Reuters last week Tehran signaled to Washington that it would respond to Israel's attack on its Syrian embassy in a way that aims to avoid major escalation and it will not act hastily.

A U.S. official said late last Thursday that the United States expects an attack by Iran against Israel but one that would not be big enough to draw Washington into war.



So, Reuters published conflicting stories?
Stogie1020
2 years ago

Iran did not provide US with attack warning or targets, White House says


Reuters April 15, 2024

WASHINGTON, April 15 (Reuters) - Iran did not provide warnings to the United States last week about its timeframe for launching an attack on Israel or its potential targets, the White House said on Monday....[/h]

rfenst wrote:



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I am sure they would never lie to us... It's like taking the NYT at their word.
rfenst
2 years ago
Iran’s Attack Is a Show of Weakness

The initiative has shifted to the Israelis, who need a calibrated response to restore deterrence.


WSJ

Over the weekend Iran launched a ballistic-missile, drone and cruise-missile attack on Israel from its own soil. The attack was without subterfuge and of a scale well beyond any that preceded it. The strike was indiscriminate in targeting and designed to cause casualties. Belated Iranian protests notwithstanding, this was a “maximum effort.” The Israeli response, aided by the U.S., the U.K. and nations in the region, was largely successful. Iran has demonstrated that it is willing to do anything to further its campaign against Israel’s existence.

There’s some history here. On Sept. 14, 2019, drones launched from bases in western Iran struck oil refineries operated by Saudi Aramco at Abqaiq and Khurais, Saudi Arabia. The damage to global oil production was significant. The Iranians denied culpability, and the profiles their drones used made it easy to avoid the reality of a state-on-state attack. On Jan. 8, 2020, Iranian ballistic missiles, also launched from bases in western Iran, struck Al Asad air base in Iraq. This was a response to the Jan. 3 U.S. strike that killed Gen. Qassem Soleimani in Baghdad. No U.S. troops at the base were killed, and heavy casualties were averted only because commanders on the ground anticipated the attack and repositioned forces accordingly. Iran claimed responsibility for this assault. Both these attacks seemed to represent a major escalation, a crossing of the Rubicon into the territory of attributable state-on-state attacks.

Why has Iran now undertaken what can only be characterized as a desperate attack—one that exposed the weaknesses of its much-touted missiles and drones? The reason is clear. For the past several months, Israel and Iran have engaged in a low-level “dialogue of targets.” Israeli strikes have taken out Iranian targets in Syria, Lebanon and occasionally Iran itself. Iran’s response has been ham-fisted. In the shadow war, Israel has outfought Iran.

The April 1 Israeli strike against Iranian planners in Damascus was the culmination of Tehran’s embarrassment. Taking a page from Russian strategic doctrine, the Iranians tried to escalate to de-escalate, taking a very aggressive action to raise the stakes dramatically. The intention is to cow the opponent into changing its behavior by convincing it that it is at heightened risk. The key to this kind of tactic is actual leverage—a genuine capability that puts the opponent at grave risk.

That hasn’t happened, because it’s apparent that the Iranians are playing a weak hand. For years the ballistic-missile, drone and cruise-missile force has been at the heart of Iran’s strategic deterrence—more important in practical terms than its nuclear program. The attack Sunday morning was poorly executed and a strategic miscalculation. The vulnerability of Iran’s force has been exposed, and the regime is gravely weakened as a result. Israel has been strengthened by a stunning display of military competence, a striking contrast with that seen on Oct. 7.

Another factor is that Lebanese Hezbollah’s involvement was minimal, limited to tactical rocketing into the Golan Heights. This is of enormous strategic significance. The scenario Israeli planners feared most was the “dual axis” missile and drone attack, in which thousands of missiles from Lebanon joined the attackers from Iran. Lebanese Hezbollah is as dedicated as Iran to the destruction of Israel, but it realizes Israel’s ability to wound it badly if it enters the fray. So far Hezbollah has chosen to sit on the sidelines. That made the Iranian attack a manageable problem for Israeli defenders.

For the U.S., the successful defense of Israel validates years of work to create an integrated air and missile defense, an effort that brought together many nations that all recognize the threat of Iran. It also vindicates the decision to move Israel from European Command into Central Command, which covers the rest of the region. The seamless coordination and mutual support this enabled was evident under demanding circumstances.

Iran’s overriding strategic priority is protecting the theocratic regime. Fundamental to this was a conventional missile and drone force that could overpower its neighbors. This failure shakes the regime’s stability. In conducting this latest attack, it has shed the last check on its ambitions. Iran will attack any regional nation anywhere, without pretense or deniability. The downside for Iran’s targets is that once a nation has conducted an attack of this nature, it is politically easier to do it again.

What’s next? The initiative has shifted to the Israelis. The gap between Israeli competence and Iranian aspirations is clear, even to the Iranians, despite their attempts to put a brave face on their failure. Israel’s neighbors will certainly see the effectiveness of its defense. Israel could unleash a violent and decisive counterstrike against Iran.

Some are calling for Israel to destroy the Iranian nuclear enterprise. Now isn’t the time for that. What’s needed is a carefully calibrated response on a scale that reinforces Israeli technical mastery. That would reset deterrence. Informed observers, whatever their sympathies, all know who won this engagement. The hard part, as always, is translating battlefield success into lasting policy advantage and an opportunity for peace. That’s the task for Israel.





Gen. McKenzie, a retired U.S. Marine general, served as commander of U.S. Central Command, 2019-22. He is executive director of the Global and National Security Institute at the University of South Florida and author of “The Melting Point: High Command and War in the 21st Century,” forthcoming in June.
Stogie1020
2 years ago

🅱Iran did not provide US with attack warning or targets, White House says


rfenst wrote:



Based on this Turkish source, Biden approved the strike on Israel "within certain limits"...

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/u-s-iran-israel/2024/04/15/id/1161034/ 


Seems almost like he was saying something about a "limited incursion"... but knew not to say it on TV this time.
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