Mr. Jones
2 years ago
Only a BUSH LEAGUE MORON WITH NO HISTORY OF GUN SAFTEY PRACTICES, NEVER TOOK A HUNTER SAFETY COURSE, AND PROLLY NEVER OWNED OR BOUGHT A GUN OR SHOT A GUN BEFORE THE PANDEMIC....

WOULD BUY OR OWN A "BUMP STOCK"...
ONLY A DOUCHE BAG WOULD BUY ONE...

THEY ARE A JOKE AND A WASTE OF MONEY...

LET ALONE AN "ATF AND FBI TERRORIST LIST MAGNET" PLUS ALL THE LISTS FROM THOSE COMPANIES THAT SOLD THEM WENT STRAIGHT TO THE U.S. GUBMENT...
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
#7 ZRX1200

YOU SPELLED aLLedGeDly
W.R.O.N.G.....
YOU WEAKLING POOOFTER
ZRX1200
2 years ago
No I didn’t…
rfenst
2 years ago
OK. Here's my perspective on the legal end of this: The case was decided correctly based on code law. Full stop.

Yet, The Second Amendment gives a right that shall not be abridged with- some exceptions such as for felons and machine gun possession.

Machine guns are "abridged" because they fire at a certain rate.

Bump-stocks fire at a similar, albeit lower rate.

So why, as with a machine gun, isn't a bump-stock illegal too?

Just trying to make sense of where the line is drawn and by what means you use to figure it out?
ZRX1200
2 years ago
It helps when you know how an item works….

And machine guns aren’t illegal FYI. They’re regulated with a higher degree of scrutiny. See how I used language I thought you’d get?

They’re only illegal in certain states. Look up “transferable machine gun”.

And all gun laws are illegal, so there’s that. The NFA is unconstitutional.
rfenst
2 years ago

It helps when you know how an item works….

And machine guns aren’t illegal FYI. They’re regulated with a higher degree of scrutiny. See how I used language I thought you’d get?

They’re only illegal in certain states. Look up “transferable machine gun”.

And all gun laws are illegal, so there’s that. The NFA is unconstitutional.

ZRX1200 wrote:


Aren't machine guns federally regulated/require a permit/license?
If so, isn't that an abridgement?
RobertHively
2 years ago
^

Yes and yes.
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
Yes

You need a class 3 firearms license. WHICH ain't exactly easy to get, they search you pretty intensely...unless your trying to trap your uncle on a FBI-SSG tapped phone line ( and commit a felony they caught u red handed at) then they dangle it like candy to rat f##k NARCS, as part of the set up)

And I believe? Each one requires a tax stamp?
Could be wrong?
Suppressors require a tax stamp too.

As "MACS" WOULD SAY:
SILENCERS & MAGAZINES
😜 JK
Gene363
2 years ago
To be clear, a machine gun must be registered under the NFA, and to buy one you do need to be cleared for transfer of ownership after paying $200 for the transfer stamp. Unless there is a state law requiring a permit, none is required.

The machine gun must have been lawfully registered and possessed before May 19, 1986. Thanks to freedom hating globalists tool Bush.

With a manufacturer's license you can make new machine guns for testing and sales to exempt organizations like the police or military.
ZRX1200
2 years ago
And for demonstration purposes.
jeebling
2 years ago
If the government can own a firearm I should have the right to own the damn firearm w/o being on someone’s registry and I should not have to pay a special tax of ownership. That’s my opinion.
JGRAZ
2 years ago

If the government can own a firearm I should have the right to own the damn firearm w/o being on someone’s registry and I should not have to pay a special tax of ownership. That’s my opinion.

jeebling wrote:



Amen brother Jeebs
PREACH!!!!!!
rfenst
2 years ago

... A machine gun must be registered under the NFA, and to buy one you do need to be cleared for transfer of ownership after paying $200 for the transfer stamp. Unless there is a state law requiring a permit, none is required

Gene363 wrote:



Bur, aren't those, in and of themselves, inherently abridgements?

ZRX1200
2 years ago
Now you’re catching on.
Abrignac
2 years ago

OK. Here's my perspective on the legal end of this: The case was decided correctly based on code law. Full stop.

Yet, The Second Amendment gives a right that shall not be abridged with- some exceptions such as for felons and machine gun possession.

Machine guns are "abridged" because they fire at a certain rate.

Bump-stocks fire at a similar, albeit lower rate.

So why, as with a machine gun, isn't a bump-stock illegal too?

Just trying to make sense of where the line is drawn and by what means you use to figure it out?

rfenst wrote:





Machinegun
The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

26 U.S.C. 584(b) wrote:



When a semi-automatic firearm is fired the action cycles rearward thereby ejecting a spent round, on the way back forward the action pulls an un-fired round from the magazine, inserts that round in the chamber and locks the bolt containing the firing pin against the loaded unfired round making the firearm ready to fire again. The firearm is at that time in what is known as battery position.

A bump stock is designed to shorten the time it takes the action to return to battery position after the firearm has fired a round. However, in order to fire another round the trigger must be manipulated once again. It does that by absorbing recoil differently than a conventional stock thus making the firearm more stable after each shot in such a way it allows the shooter to acquire a sight picture faster.

People who know nothing of the mechanics of a semi-automatic firearm or of shooting such are easily duped into thinking that bump stocks turn semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic firearms. In fact, there are activists claiming the SCOTUS missed an opportunity to use common sense. Yet, in reality their argument would require the SCOTUS to rewrite the NFA from the bench. However, it’s the purview of Congress to write laws and the SCOTUS to determine the constitutionality of those laws.
Abrignac
2 years ago

It helps when you know how an item works….

And machine guns aren’t illegal FYI. They’re regulated with a higher degree of scrutiny. See how I used language I thought you’d get?

They’re only illegal in certain states. Look up “transferable machine gun”.

And all gun laws are illegal, so there’s that. The NFA is unconstitutional.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Negative Ghost Rider. The Constitution gives Congress the ability to write laws. Congress can and does write laws within the scope given. In the instant case the Constitution grants an unabridged right to bear arms. It however does not describe the type of arms one can bear. So Congress has written laws defining such. It’s up to the SCOTUS to determine if those laws then abridge one’s right to bear arms.
MACS
2 years ago
Many of the laws ARE unconstitutional.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed. Any law that infringes on the right to have and to carry arms is unconstitutional. Permits? Unconstitutional.

Now... convicted felons not being allowed to have guns... that's common sense.
jeebling
2 years ago

Many of the laws ARE unconstitutional.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed. Any law that infringes on the right to have and to carry arms is unconstitutional. Permits? Unconstitutional.

Now... convicted felons not being allowed to have guns... that's common sense.

MACS wrote:



I would narrow that restriction to felons who were violent in any way. Felonious tax problems and record keeping type stuff I could be easily persuaded to disregard. I’m open to discussion on that if there was a vote put forward.
jeebling
2 years ago

Amen brother Jeebs
PREACH!!!!!!

JGRAZ wrote:



👍🏻 🇨🇮
Gene363
2 years ago
Guns should sold through the mail, without showing an ID... like voting.
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