Poll Question: Will SCOTUS Grant Trump "Absolute Immunity?
DrMaddVibe
a year ago
I get why the hatred for Thomas now.

In his decision, he did not hold back.

I fear that this case will be used to levy another charge on another President...because. So far the Founding Fathers are looking like the geniuses they were.

Jack Smith, and the Biden DOJ have some questions they need to answer.
DrafterX
a year ago
I predict they will take the 5th... 😟
rfenst
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a year ago

I get why the hatred for Thomas now.
In his decision, he did not hold back.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


There is no reason for him to ever hold back. Doing so is tantamount to not doing his job.

Instead, my dislike of Thomas is that he is dirty- just look at all he has taken and his failure to report with integritty.

The fact that he is on SCOTUS and it doesn't have set rules yet, means nothing to me because every, single, Standard Code of Judicial Conduct, prohibits what he has taken... and what he has failed to report- with integrity and honesty.

It is not political: I don't care who they replace him with- conservative v. liberal or Rep v. Dem. I don't care how they would rule. Hell I will even let the arch-conservatives choose his replacement- as long as he goes.

Dirty, Dirty, Dirty.

That's all.
MACS
a year ago
If that's your stance on Thomas.... ^But you're okay with what Joe Biden and his crime family have done?
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a year ago

I get why the hatred for Thomas now.
In his decision, he did not hold back.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


His dissent is a distinction without any difference.

Garland merely assigning the case to Smith as it's lead prosecutor ("Special Counsel") is normal and necessarily. It is no different than every single prosecutorial appointment in every single criminal case across the country. Someone has to be calling the shots on the case. Realistically, it cannot be the AG his or herself. Otherwise, every single prosecutorial assignment on every single case could be subject to challenge in court and then require legislative authorization to prosecute.

Call it "Special Counsel or "Lead Counsel" or another of several other terms, it all means the same thing- the person assigned to be in charge of the prosecution...
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a year ago

If that's your stance on Thomas.... ^But you're okay with what Joe Biden and his crime family have done?

MACS wrote:


No I am not.

But, I still need to see the proof the R's are promising exists.

I don't have a hard-on for Biden. If he is guilty of a crime, toss him out of office and make him serve any appropriate jail time, so be it.
8trackdisco
a year ago

No I am not.

But, I still need to see the proof the R's are promising exists.

I don't have a hard-on for Biden. If he is guilty of a crime, toss him out of office and make him serve any appropriate jail time, so be it.

rfenst wrote:



Robert,
I should be asking this question of myself as much as I’m asking you. Here goes…

What to you hope to get in arguing with these guys? If they are endorsing the (to my knowledge) the All Time Content King of Lies in Political History, how would you reasonably expect them to react to a person with a less dubious guy with a better, less sullied ethical record?

C’mon, now, Robert. Wake up.
KingoftheCove
a year ago

No I am not.

But, I still need to see the proof the R's are promising exists.

I don't have a hard-on for Biden. If he is guilty of a crime, toss him out of office and make him serve any appropriate jail time, so be it.

rfenst wrote:


Seriously?
Fuq. 🤦

The only reason he isn’t in jail is because of the depth and breadth of his exploits, and the number of prominent folks involved, the government can’t, and won’t ever convict him. The government can’t convict itself.

Trump was/is an ā€œoutsiderā€, with a much smaller clan. He thought he could simply waltz in, clean the outrageous things up a bit, throw a couple key friends some bones, etc.
I think he under estimated just how corrupt our government really is. He had NO IDEA they were even more corrupt THAN HE WAS AND IS.

Republicans and Democrats both stink, with the Dems stinking just a bit more.

ā€œif he is guilty of a crimeā€ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦that is hilarious…..

It’s almost as funny as Obama telling us Biden simply had a bad debate….

We are soooooo screwed….
frankj1
a year ago
the Kushner kids took down 2 BILLION...from the friendly Saudis, no less.
I think you underestimate the "opportunity" government offered to a small family clan of con artists named Trump, Sire.
KingoftheCove
a year ago

the Kushner kids took down 2 BILLION...from the friendly Saudis, no less.
I think you underestimate the "opportunity" government offered to a small family clan of con artists named Trump, Sire.

frankj1 wrote:


Two whole billion for Jared.
But, but…….he is a brilliant investment guru and finacial genius……..no??
Not impressed by the way……….it’s still small potatoes compared to crimes committed on the other side.
Furthermore, there is a reason the press isn’t blowing that story up.
There is nothing illegal about it.
Abrignac
a year ago

His dissent is a distinction without any difference.

Garland merely assigning the case to Smith as its lead prosecutor ("Special Counsel") is normal and necessarily however he wasn’t confirmed by the Senate which is a requirement for ALL Federal prosecutors. It is no different than every single prosecutorial appointment in every single criminal case across the country. Someone has to be calling the shots on the case. Realistically, it cannot be the AG his or herself. Otherwise, every single prosecutorial assignment on every single case could be subject to challenge in court and then require legislative authorization to prosecute.

Call it "Special Counsel or "Lead Counsel" or another of several other terms, it all means the same thing- the person assigned to be in charge of the prosecution...

rfenst wrote:



FIFY

Though Smith will probably not be allowed to prosecute the case any evidence his team gathered will be scrutinized but in the end most if not all will be allowed in any subsequent trial due to the ā€œInevitable Discoveryā€ doctrine.
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a year ago

Two whole billion for Jared.
But, but…….he is a brilliant investment guru and finacial genius……..no??
Not impressed by the way……….it’s still small potatoes compared to crimes committed on the other side.
Furthermore, there is a reason the press isn’t blowing that story up.
There is nothing illegal about it.

KingoftheCove wrote:


Where have you been? The whole story is at least a couple years old.
Look up one or more old CBid threads on the topic.
KingoftheCove
a year ago
I know the story is 2+ years old, that’s my point.
Where are the headlines and such lately?
As far as I know he hasn’t been indicted or charged with anything?
What am I missing?
He has the scruples of a pig for taking Saudi cash?
Yeah, he does.
But guess what…………..…you know what ….

This whole YOUR guy is a bigger prick than MY guy is ridiculous.
I believe both sides are criminal.
I believe the Dems are worse, not by much, but worse.
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a year ago

FIFY...

he wasn’t confirmed by the Senate which is a requirement for ALL Federal prosecutors.

Abrignac wrote:



That is not an accurate statement.

Only "District Attorneys" must be approved, not AUSA's (Assistant United States Attorneys) also referred to as "Federal Prosecutors who do the real work of the District Attorneys. They are the everyday, run-of -the-mill, non-politically appointed, "federal prosecutors" who cases are assigned to. Senate approval is not required for them.

I am 98.2% certain there are at least 5,000 of them and, perhaps as many as 10,000(?).

There is no difference.
jeebling
a year ago

"Held: Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no
immunity for unofficial acts."

Syllabus



So the issue boils down to what is and is not an official act within presidential authority. Not a bright line ruling that aids in a final conclusion like everyone hoped for, one way or the other. Instead, it sends the case back to the trial court to decide whether certain conduct was or was not an official act. Thereafter, either side can appeal all the way up to SCOTUS AGAIN. The ruling was inconclusive. Finality could be years and years down the road, or not at all. Without respect to the politics involved, SCOTUS could have concluded everything, but failed to. They let us all down.

rfenst wrote:




Thank you
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a year ago

I know the story is 2+ years old, that’s my point.
Where are the headlines and such lately?
As far as I know he hasn’t been indicted or charged with anything?
What am I missing?
He has the scruples of a pig for taking Saudi cash?
Yeah, he does.
But guess what…………..…you know what ….

This whole YOUR guy is a bigger prick than MY guy is ridiculous.
I believe both sides are criminal.
I believe the Dems are worse, not by much, but worse.

KingoftheCove wrote:


I agree with everything but your last line.
I believe Trump is worse than both.

DrMaddVibe
a year ago

His dissent is a distinction without any difference.

Garland merely assigning the case to Smith as it's lead prosecutor ("Special Counsel") is normal and necessarily. It is no different than every single prosecutorial appointment in every single criminal case across the country. Someone has to be calling the shots on the case. Realistically, it cannot be the AG his or herself. Otherwise, every single prosecutorial assignment on every single case could be subject to challenge in court and then require legislative authorization to prosecute.

Call it "Special Counsel or "Lead Counsel" or another of several other terms, it all means the same thing- the person assigned to be in charge of the prosecution...

rfenst wrote:




Seems like the SCOTUS went after Garland for exactly NOT having his Special Prosecutor confirmed by the Senate. They even put the statute in their decision as well.
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a year ago

Seems like the SCOTUS went after Garland for exactly NOT having his Special Prosecutor confirmed by the Senate. They even put the statute in their decision as well.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Yup.
I've read both the Syllabus and Opinion and Syllabus twice now and have also read the.
Mr. Jones
a year ago
HockeyDad
a year ago
I heard from various Democrats that Biden is now cleared to assassinate Trump.
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