MACS
a year ago
I do not disagree, Gene. But like you said, if it's a VAT on goods/services then everyone has to pay it. As it should be.

AND - people who buy more stuff, and more expensive stuff (I.E. the wealthy) will pay more taxes. The parliament of whores doesn't want that AT ALL... because they're all wealthy.

It's like when Trump asked Hillary why she didn't change the tax code... because her donors would be pissed, and they take the same breaks he does.
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RayR
a year ago

The UAE does not have taxes on individuals. Your money is your money. They charge a 5% value added tax on purchases of goods and services.

Dubai has some of the best infrastructure I have ever seen.

The USA was one of the richest countries evah back before we had income tax or all these other bullsheit taxes. How did we do that?

Oh... yeah... tariffs.

MACS wrote:



During the so-called Progressive Era, Marxist ideas became popular (and still are with some people), which would fund the growth of a Leviathan central government and enslave the proletariat and the bourgeoisie under the millstones of direct taxation and inflation. It was just the beginning when Duhmacracy gave us the FED and the Federal Income Tax, two of the great evils of 1913.

From the Manifesto of the Communist Party by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels:

A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
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rfenst
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a year ago

With the mentally you are using you are an animal born into a zoo that doesn't know anything else.

Cheno wrote:

Ad hominem abusive.
That is where I stopped reading your post.
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DrMaddVibe
a year ago

You're confusing payroll withholding with actual tax paid. Higher withholding gives you a tax return/refund because you withheld more tax than was necessary for the annual income. If, like me, you work a lot of OT you can reduce your withholding on your W4 and not see that money get taken off your paycheck.

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You're correct.

I don't want to work a lot of overtime...I HAVE to work a lot of overtime. It seems that the more I make the more gets gutted. I would LOVE to see no taxes on OT and tips. Perhaps that would get waitress/waiters and anyone else that works for tips a better wage while being able to bank on their overachieving.

I've tried the withholding part...still see it disappear as fast as I make it and ensures I'm paying the IRS a check every April. Meh, its what we have to work with...and for.

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rfenst
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a year ago

Overtime is busting your ass more than just a regular day. Uncle Sam didn't ask you to overachieve. Uncle Sam didn't tell you to work. Time and a half is for working hours above and beyond. It should be a reward.
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How do you figure people will have to spend less on labor?...

DrMaddVibe wrote:



When I worked, sometimes 50 hours on Monday thru Wednesday (plus the rest of the week); often seven days a week; and often weekends back to back for weeks. Do you think I was entitled to not pay taxes on my increased output due to long hours? After all, I was working very hard...

For business owners who understand that tipped employees make more from untaxed tips, their economic reasoning will be to pay less because the employee is taking more home from tips. This is a handout to people and restaurant and other industries. Nothing more.
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DrMaddVibe
a year ago

But I thought tariffs were bad.

Cheno wrote:




Almost 47 billion so far this year was raised.

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2025/trump-tariff-income-tracker/ [/i]

There is a HUGE difference between taking the word of those that taught Economics and those that have to do it for a living.
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rfenst
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a year ago

Almost 47 billion so far this year was raised.

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2025/trump-tariff-income-tracker/ [/i]

There is a HUGE difference between taking the word of those that taught Economics and those that have to do it for a living.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


WTF does that mean?
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DrMaddVibe
a year ago

When I worked, sometimes 50 hours on Monday thru Wednesday (plus the rest of the week); often seven days a week; and often weekends back to back for weeks. Do you think I was entitled to not pay taxes on my increased output due to long hours? After all, I was working very hard...

For business owners who understand that tipped employees make more from untaxed tips, their economic reasoning will be to pay less because the employee is taking more home from tips. This is a handout to people and restaurant and other industries. Nothing more.

rfenst wrote:



There's nothing stopping you from sending the IRS more money if you really want to. Entitled? That's wasn't part of the original question.

If I have to work OT the customer is requesting it and gets billed for it accordingly. Do I want to work OT all of the time? NO. I'm in a field that kind of expects it...almost demands it. While most are at home doing whatever they want after 5 or on the weekends I'm usually working. Oh, the yard still has to get mowed so there's that too.

I'm not so sure that tipped employees make more either. Often times tips get pilfered by supervisors that feel they're owed a taste too. Then there's the whole trickle down with it as well. Went I went to school I was a pretty successful waiter at a couple of restaurants. If I was getting a great tip for my end of the customer service I was cutting in the chefs, the busboys and even the dishwashers. I didn't have to, but I usually got my food first, tables bussed and water/coffee refilled while I was running around either putting in an order, making sure everything plated was the way it was expected and when it got really busy if I had the time I'd toss plates in the freezer for salads/desserts so they could focus on just washing dishes. As a result of all that I was ALWAYS the 1st waiter out the backdoor because everything was done. If we were hanging out after work I'd chip in but that's because I wanted to. The work ethic I have is my own and its disappearing out there. In my field nobody new wants to work the hours I work. Even if they have to, in the AM I'm dealing with the fallout and making it right.
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DrMaddVibe
a year ago

WTF does that mean?

rfenst wrote:



Yellen vs Bessent. DUH!
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Cheno
a year ago

Ad hominem abusive.
That is where I stopped reading your post.

rfenst wrote:



You can take it that way but you'd be wrong. As much as you are on paying more for taxes.
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HockeyDad
a year ago
We need an extra tax on lawyers.
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DrMaddVibe
a year ago

We need an extra tax on lawyers.

HockeyDad wrote:




Meh...they'd just bill higher.
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rfenst
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a year ago

You can take it that way but you'd be wrong. As much as you are on paying more for taxes.

Cheno wrote:


I am not for paying more taxes.
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RayR
a year ago

Meh...they'd just bill higher.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Ya, they're gouging bastids.
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HockeyDad
a year ago

Ya, they're gouging bastids.

RayR wrote:



…and they complain about tax free tips and prolly don’t even tip well just like Canadians.
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rfenst
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a year ago

Meh...they'd just bill higher.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Beleive it or not, there is no sales tax on legal fees or legal expenses.
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MACS
a year ago

When I worked, sometimes 50 hours on Monday thru Wednesday (plus the rest of the week); often seven days a week; and often weekends back to back for weeks. Do you think I was entitled to not pay taxes on my increased output due to long hours? After all, I was working very hard...

For business owners who understand that tipped employees make more from untaxed tips, their economic reasoning will be to pay less because the employee is taking more home from tips. This is a handout to people and restaurant and other industries. Nothing more.

rfenst wrote:



So letting people keep more of the money they worked for is a handout? I'm sorry, but I can't seem to wrap my head around that "logic".

I'd be willing to wager most people who work in industries where tipping is customary already do not report the actual amount of tips they receive. Especially cash tips that can't be tracked.
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RobertHively
a year ago

Next time you have a server taking your order tell them to their face, you don't think they should get a tax break for tips.

Gene363 wrote:



I'll tell my wife, but I'm waiting until after she brings my dinner.😟
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DrMaddVibe
a year ago

Beleive it or not, there is no sales tax on legal fees or legal expenses.

rfenst wrote:



I know...got the t-shirt too!
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RayR
a year ago

Beleive it or not, there is no sales tax on legal fees or legal expenses.

rfenst wrote:



But shouldn't the gubment get their fair share of the heist for those services?
They tax everything else.

You can't go to a restaurant and get a ham sammich without being taxed.


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