When the "day after pill" is used properly (the day after) then I have no problem with its use.
But I've heard that the same pill can be used weeks, possibly months after conception as a means to chemically abort the baby.

usahog

question. did you slip into black lingo?
"we gunna start callin ya" just a question.

DrMaddVibe

plase understand, toby and i would not have had an abortion under any circumstances. that is a choice we were lucky enough to not have to face.

"If you knew you only had today to live would you really choose to be "free"? i'm really not sure what you mean. what would be an alternative?

Sonny_LSU

you are contradicting yourself.

you say
"BTW, I am a devote Christian, but [I do not poke my head in the sand of righteousness] as life passes by."

but
"It was aimed at [those who have lost their way in the name of God's will."]

have i lost my way? am i doomed to hell? as i have posted before, i have no interest in a definition of anyone's idea of a god, divine force or whatever the terms are that describe the same idea.

ric, I was responding to this post:

"plabonte

euthanasia only one letter off, no big deal.

euthanasia: it's my damn life and when i think i have had enough and want to end it, it's my business.


i know not what others chose, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death."

Only one of the two human beings involved in an abortion has a choice, and only one of them is innocent. I have never been a fanatic on this issue, but I have very little sympathy for those who use abortion as birth control in a world full of other "choices".

I have never really given much thought to the abortion/anti-abortion/choice issue, but it brings to things to mind given my current situation. I agree with SteveS, when I say that I disagree with getting an abortion for convenience. My wife and I have a 5 year old daughter. She will be our only child, due to my wife having large fibroid tumors, and will have to have a hysterectomy(sp). We are only 28 years old, and now we can no longer have any more children. This saddens us both, because we still have a long life together, and we now know that our family will not get any bigger. This may sound selfish, but how would you feel when you have to explain to your 5 year old that she will never be able to have any baby brothers/sisters. She asks us all the time about having one. It hurts us so try to tell her about it.

Anyways, carry on with the discussion. Pardon the interruption.

You are right eleltea, a woman who is rapped and becomes pregnant is never innocent.

NO Plabonte, you are wrong...it depends on what she is wearing.

I see. So I'm guessing that the amount of innocence is in direct correlation to the amount of clothes she is wearing.

Bingo...or at least that's the standard view if/when a woman is raped...couldn't possible be the demented, selfish mind and act of the rapist...but THAT'S another subject!

[stepping down from soapbox]

tarheel,

Just a question. Have you and your wife thought about adoption? It sounds like you guy's would like to have more kids and this is an option and also helps those mother's that have chosen to go through the pregnancy. Just wondering and don't mean to pry.

B.

Just be careful when doing this. Deal with HONEST and REPUTABLE agencies. There are a lot of countries that are dumping their "crack babies" and HIV+ kids on the unsuspecting. I'm not saying go for this option, just know the RISKS involved!

If you're both committed to having kids, but physically can't, then I would look at this as an option. Just be careful!

Rick, you Bad Frog you, I am not contradicting myself. My point of view is that of a "down to earth" Christian.....When I refer to religious zealots, I am not labeling ALL Christians as zealots, as I am not one.

Rick, from this point on Jake will be joining this thread in my stead.....he is my lab.....DMV knows all about him.

Ok, Plabonte, being as I am not a fanatic on the issue, you can kill the innocent child of the innocent rape victim if you want to (even tho the world is full of people who would love to adopt it). But don't you have any other examples, with or without the sarcasm?

Tarheel.
My wife is only a few years older than yours and she had a hysterectomy last year.
We were lucky, we already have three beautiful children. But it's still a very tough ordeal, knowing that you can't have any more kids at such a young age.
If you or your wife have any questions or concerns email me at [email protected]
I'm pretty much brain dead, but my wife can speak from experience to calm any fears.
Good luck and God Bless.
Joe.

DrMaddVibe

"The womb is an environment for the baby".

stopped me in my tracks. much food for thought.

eleltea I'm not going to sit here and say each and ever case where abortion is ok and not ok. Simply because I really don't know. My point is only that IMHO in SOME cases it is justified. And I just wanted those that were saying it is 100% wrong all the time to think beyond the scenario of the 17 year old who gets pregnant and rather then telling her parents decides to get an abortion.

As far as people willing to adopt the baby yes there are always such people. But just because there are people that need/want kidneys doesn't mean you can force someone to give them one of theirs. Same thing hold true here. Just because someone may want the child doesn't mean you can force the mother to carry it to term and deliver it.

That's more like it, Plabonte. The case of rape-pregnancy is perhaps the closest to a good argument for an abortion. And surely medical abortions are better than hatpins in an alley, but those are not the only two options, and education, as usual, is key.

I don't know the numbers, but would dare to assume that rape-induced pregnancies are more rare than the partial birth abortion, which bloody horror is the best argument on the other side against abortion. Both sides of this endless argument are firmly entrenched, and a debate can only win over the fencesitters.

Still, the premise that the child is an innocent, even if fathered by a rapist, is true, prima facie.

And after the passage of time, there are a lot more women who regret having had abortions than who regret not having had one. My late wife was one such person. She was coerced by her first husband into aborting her second son and she never had another child.

By the way, the Roe in Roe versus Wade is also one such person of regret. Hindsight is always 20-20.