Homebrew
23 years ago
Hey Mag, I'll accept these numbers for now. I'll keep an eye on this, as I know you will. Interesting article though:-)
Later brother of the leaf.
Homebrew
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Rush made a valid point yesterday.

The Democrats haven't actually said it's a fillabuster, so call them to the floor for a vote! Maybe they have the necessary votes to keep Estrada out. Thereby cementing in the public's mind that the Democrats are the party of exclusionary tactics! If they do have the votes, then all they have to do(because they control the floor!)is put it to another vote, and another one, and another one. Effectively showing to the world time and again that they don't want a Hispanic on the Supreme Court. What's next for them? What race won't they like now? They want Estrada to go on the record with a hypothetical case and produce his ruling. That's absurd logic!

Rush IS right!
Homebrew
23 years ago
Yep Rush is RIGHT,
A little to the RIGHT of Hitler and Attila the hun.
Sorry if this is construed as a thread Jack. I just don't understand how anyone can believe Lush Rimjob.
Later
Homebrew
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Well, instead of name calling...argue with the points that I listed that came from his show!

You can do it!
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Still waiting...
Spiny Norman
23 years ago
Oh no! Rush would never launch a personal attack..........

Some of the personal attacks by Rush Limbaugh

LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh constantly tells his audience that he doesn't make personal or ad hominem attacks. To a caller who had a problem with his personalized attacks, Limbaugh responded with a denial: "Give me a specific example: who, what, when, where, and what exactly did I say?" (Radio show, 2/18/94)

REALITY: One hour before that call, Limbaugh was telling his audience that a 5,000-year-old man found buried in ice--pictured on the cover of Time magazine--was really Sally Jesse Raphael: "This is just what Sally Jesse Raphael looks like without makeup!"

MORE REALITY:(10/17/93) this incident from Limbaugh's TV show--"Here is a Limbaugh joke:
Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" And he puts up a picture of Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea Clinton was 13 years old at the time.

LIMBAUGH: Assailing a journalist who had criticized Nixon: "Michael Gartner, portraying himself as a balanced, ojective journalist with years and years of experience faking events, and then reporting them as news--and doing so with the express hope of destroying General Motors in one case and destroying businesses that cut down trees, the timber industry, in another." (TV show, 4/27/94)

REALITY: Gartner, the NBC News president who resigned in the wake of the GM truck explosion episode on NBC's Dateline, had no hands-on role in it--nor had he expressed a hope of destroying any company.

LIMBAUGH: Equally accurate when denouncing a fellow conservative, he said of right-wing journalist Cliff Kincaid: "He's written all kinds of pieces about how I don't go make speeches for free, for the cause.... He's just one more of these little gnats out there trying to sink a Boeing 747 that's leaving him in a cloud of dust." (Radio show, 11/19/93)

REALITY: Kincaid's only published piece on whether Limbaugh does speeches "for the cause" was in Human Events (7/27/91): "He does his bit for conservatives when the movement calls. He waived his fees, for instance, when he emceed at roasts for Oliver North and Paul Weyrich and addressed the National Right to Life convention."

DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Spiny, what does that have to do with the Estrada confirmation?

You don't have to agree with the guy, but as I've found in the past(as well as now!!!), it's hard to come out on top when common-sense answers are explained. It looks like all of the surfing you did shows that he's not going to lie down in the middle of a road. If you come swinging at him you better know your FACTS!


Brew...STILL thinking?
tailgater
23 years ago
Spiny;
Where were you going with that?
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Remember all the noise associated with Clarence Thomas? He hasn't always sided with the Republican view, but then that's really what being on the Supreme Court is all about!

He turned out to be a great voice of reason! Now, Sandra on the otherhand...
Spiny Norman
23 years ago
"""Spiny, what does that have to do with the Estrada confirmation? """

Not much, but you did bring him and his views into it to strengthen your case. When you took offense at HOMEBREW's name calling of Rush, I fely it was important to point out that he is every bit as guilty of it as anyone else. (Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.)

"""he's not going to lie down in the middle of a road. """

Bummer. I guess I will have to take the steel spikes off the car's tires now.

"""If you come swinging at him you better know your FACTS! """

Rush Limbaugh wouldn't know a fact if he were lying in the middle of the road an it drove over him
with steel spikes!

"""Spiny;
Where were you going with that? """

Off the thread I suppose. For that, I apologize. Please return to the topic at hand.
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Spiny, thanks for adding NOTHING to the fact that the Dems are blocking the nomination of a very qualified person.

It was a point that was brought out on Rush's show. One that would work. The mere mention of his name was enough to "scare" you two into name-calling.

If you have some other reason why Estrada shouldn't be nominated then lets hear them.
Spiny Norman
23 years ago
I have four reasons.....

Enrique Moreno,
Jorge Rangel,
Christine Arguello
and Richard Paez.
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
So you don't approve of the person! That's different!

It's about power and influence. Sometimes the right people don't know the right people.
Spiny Norman
23 years ago
I don't for a minute believe that this nomination is being held up due to his nationality. I do believe that it's due to his ideology. (Or what we know of it.) This was also the case with the 4 nominees I mentioned earlier.
We have gotten to the point that only those whose viewpoints are "middle of the road" are likely to get a court appointment. (Maybe that's for the best.) Do I think it's right that it's being held up over party lines? No, nor was it right when the GOP did it to the Clinton nominees. Hey, it's revenge pure and simple. Dems did it to Bork so the Publicans did it to Moreno, Arguello, Paez among many others so the Dems are holding up Estrada among others.
Perhaps someday, our elected officials ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE will stop acting like spoiled first graders are start to do what is right for this country. .....................Na.

The only ones to suffer are those seeking fair and swift justice.
Homebrew
23 years ago
Hey guys,
The reason I haven't replied?? I am hiking the ozarks highland trail. I have to wait till I finish each leg,of the trip, to get internet access.
In response to Maddvibe, When you get your "facts" from somebody that actually has some credibility. I will respond. Rush Limbaugh has been caught fabricating facts. When called to task, he said that he was "an entertainer" and didn't have to support his facts. Go find some real facts to quote. Most people here have an education.
Later
Homebrew
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Facts?!?

All I did was say that he raised a valid point. If the Dems are conducting a fillibuster(which they haven't confirmed!)then they should hold them accountable and hold a vote.

It would be political suicide to continue vote after vote after vote to NOT confirm him. After all it's the Dems that throw the "race card", not me!

Personally, I don't think they have the desire to deny Estrada. They're posturing. When the fallout happens there's going to be one hell of a rush to the microphones and cameras to protect thier own hides on this matter.

Those are the facts.
Homebrew
23 years ago
Yes Madd,
It will be interesting to see how this works out.
It could still go either way.
Later
Homebrew
Tobasco
23 years ago

Today, I heard that there has never been, in history, a fillibuster on a nominie of the repeals court. Why Estrada? This is not fair. His record is flawless.

Mag
usahog
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23 years ago
it is called Distraction... the Dems are doing there Best to distract the administration from whats on the plate... Iraq!!!

Hog
Homebrew
23 years ago
I must disagree.
The Estrada nomination, is being filabustered, because he refuses to answer questions on his views on constitutional questions. He is not a judge. Never has been. So he doesn't have a record of decisions.
Most Judicial nominations, have experience as Judges in the federal circut courts. They have a record, of their decisions on important cases. Estrada has no such record. The administration says, and some of you guys Parrot, that Estrada is highly qualified. But refuse to release information regarding his alleged qualifications. He has also refused to answer questions, about his qualifications. I repeat, How many of you would hire a man who, at the job interview, refused to answer your questions, pertaining to their job qualifications?
Any of you guys who would, let me know, so I can avoid buying stock in your buisness.
Later
Homebrew
p.s. It will be tonight before I can respond. I have another 22 mile hike today.
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