barryneedleman
23 years ago
All, enough about the electoral college, this is one of the controls that our founding fathers provided to provide some sort of balance between the rural and urban areas (along with the different issues those areas have). Same reason that each state has 2 Senators and the Representatives vary by population. Right now the Dems are having problems with the electoral college and the Repubs are having problems with filibuster. The reason that neither have been changed is that the party that could benefit from either will vary with time. If you don't like this aspect of our government change it.

By the way, the map doesn't mean a hell of a lot except that Gore couldn't carry much except the major urban areas.

And for the voices re: Fla voting issues, remember there are issues on both sides but what is done is done - fix the issues (chads, calling the winner before polls close, confusing ballots, etc.).

Just my half dollar.
usahog
23 years ago
Why is there Facts of Cases in Chicago that Gore/Gore's people were trading Cigarettes for VOTES???

What a Way to TRY AND WIN!!!!!

I Wonder How many Dead folks cast there Votes also???

BUT WE SEE JUSTICE PREVAILED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hog
Robby
23 years ago
Would you have voted for Gore for a box of good cigars? =:-o They should have canvassed the boards on c-bid. It would probably have put them over the top!!
xibbumbero
23 years ago
"Justice prevailed",LOL. Only history will tell. Until then it's all a matter of your POV. X
usahog
23 years ago
"Would you have voted for Gore for a box of good cigars?"

Not a chance in Hell... I would rather Have eatin rotten Sushi than take a chance of the Cigars being Tainted by Monica!!!

Hog
xibbumbero
23 years ago
I voted for Gore not expecting anything in return and so did a mllion more Americans. All we got was A Dubya,a downward spiraling economy and a nation about enter another war. X
Robby
23 years ago
Yeah, surely Sadam would have disarmed now if Gore was in office. Good point. Just the thought of his intimating persona (you know, controlling legal authority and all that?). Bin Laden would have surrendered by now to. Man are we getting screwed!!
eleltea
23 years ago
President Gore, President Bush. Either way, a boy president. Different set of rich friends to divvy up the government money machine. George Wallace said it 50 years ago: Ain't a nickles worth of difference in the two. The republicans of today are a little more like the old JFK (hawkish tax cutter with a social conscience) Democrats and the Democrats of today are more like the Socialist Workers Party of the same era. Time marches on.
tailgater
23 years ago
Prof,
It is easy to suggest that the election results in FLA were skewed to the left due to "exit polls".
The Pan handle of florida is fairly conservative. They are also in a later time zone. They see the evening news and discover "gore wins florida". They don't vote.
The suggestive powers of the media are only effective when they are subtle. The exit polls were taken in predominately liberal cities. The results were not surprising. But they were wrong.
I don't think this can be classified as a "conspiracy" because quite honestly the Libs are not that smart.
But I agree. The map is pretty.
Robby
23 years ago
The only ones I trust doing an exit poll are the proctologists. They're specialists at "exits"... My company tried to contract some for a "back" order problem we were having. However, we had to let them go. It seems they were always in arrears... I'm never comfortable when a poll get's too close to my exit...
jdrabinski
23 years ago
tailgater,

How is bad exit polling anything other than a mistaken calculation? The voting was over before they posted anything about the results. What would be the point of the 'liberal conspiracy'? To mislead the public for a few hours before the vote was counted? Huh? Say wha?

You reactionaries will find the liberal media conspiracy anywhere. It is really quite comical. Here's the key: THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY! THE MEDIA IS OWNED BY GIGANTIC CORPORATIONS WHO HAVE NO INTEREST IN THINGS LIKE SOCIAL JUSTICE OR HIGHER TAXES OR WHATEVER YOU THINK LIBERALS REPRESENT. THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE MONEY.

Where would this bias and conspiracy come from? What a joke.

John
E-Chick
23 years ago
Whichever colors the map dictates are for whom...Bush won...end of story...Thank GOD!
E-Chick
23 years ago
Forgot something...

BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH-BLAH...
justforfun
23 years ago
All I see on the map is RED. After listening to all this rehashed banter, all I can see or think of is RED. RED WINS -- oops, RED WON! It's Deja Vu all over again - Yogi Berra.
RICKAMAVEN
23 years ago
jdrabinski

maintain!
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Read..."Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News", and tell us after reading this that it's JUST about money!!!!


"WAKE UP" - RATM
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/elections/electionnight.html 


Problems of Early Calls
This leads to the second, more serious problem afflicting the polls: the early call of Florida for Gore made between 7:49 and 8:10 P.M.EST on election night by all major networks (led by NBC) and the Associated Press based on the VNS exit poll.At the time, with other major battleground states such as NewYork,Michigan,and Illinois falling into the Democratic camp, it appeared to commentators
and observers that Gore was heading for a comfortable victory. There were a number of potential problems about this particular call. First, the result in
Florida was announced on the networks before polling stations had actually closed in all counties in the state,namely, the panhandle northwest, in the central
time zone, that tended to favor Bush. It is possible that this announcement could have discouraged some last-minute voters from casting their ballots, if they
believed that the outcomewas already cut and dried. This probably affected only a few Floridians, although, given the closeness of the eventual outcome, every vote counted. The second issue—calling the results from states on the East Coast before the polls have closed in theWest—is nothing new to the presidential election. The most famous example is President Jimmy Carter’s concession to Ronald Reagan in 1980 prior to the close of polls in California, thereby, it is argued, depressing electoral support for some Democratic House members in that state. But Republicans believe that the early call in Florida discouraged Californian Republicans from voting, for example, on their way home from work. Yet, studies remain divided about the effects of early network calls.On one hand,some argue that there is a modest “bandwagon” effect, with undecided voters
moving toward the candidate ahead in the polls.On the other hand,some suggest an “underdog” effect, with polls slightly strengthening the motivation and turnout
of those supporting the losing candidate. Given the lack of convincing evidence either way, a case can be made that both possible effects may cancel each other out.
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/presspol/news_events/Too%20Close%20to%20Call.pdf )
Robby
23 years ago
Indeed, "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!" Oh, and sorry for poking fun at proctologists, those were some bad cracks, I'm glad they're behind us now.
RDC
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  • Herf-A-Holic
23 years ago
Can you imagine what would be going on if Gore had won?
He'd be sending billions of dollars to Sadam to help his people and we never would have gone looking for Bin Laden.
MESIII
23 years ago
Charlie. I'm curious, can you tell me why "Thank God" for Bush winning? I'm not saying I wanted him to lose, but why "Thank God" for him winning. What the hell has he done? Please enlighten me. Al Gore could just have easily let the economy tank, have no plan to fix it and let Saddam make an ass out of him by winning the delay game. I just don't get it. In 2000 we, as a country didnt have a choice, they both sucked and theyre both LOSERS. Anyone want me to change my mind? SHOW ME RESULTS!
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