Damn! JJ, I think I got you confused with jfcos - he's in my box pass and has sent some good stuff. I know I received something from you not too long ago.... Anyway, you're still my hero!

LMAO CL Actually,I sent you the GW/David Letterman interview.It was you who sent me some FDO Grand Maduro's in return,thanks man....

Another blast from the past for some of the new guys.Actually I believe this was written by Ted Nugent originally but some say no.Oh well I still like it!

I think people identify more with the characters The Duke played than the man himself. They seemed very real, usually strong men. Reagans characters were mostly weenies by comparison. Duke seemed like an OK guy even if he occasionally said some inappropriate things. His heart was in the right place. Flag burning, wow, that's a hot button issue. I would never burn a flag. I'm a 20 year Navy man and I get misty when the Star Spangled Banner or God Bless America is played. I also believe in Freedom. More, not less. People are gonna do stuff you don't like. Let them. People have an unalienable right to be as stupid as they want to be! First you have a law to protect the flag. Next it's illegal to criticize the President. If someone tries to burn MY flag I will twist their head off! If they want to burn THEIR flag, it's just a piece of cloth.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! THE FLAG SHOULD BE HELD SACRED AND LIKE AN AMERICAN MILITARY MAN, WE SHOULD NEVER LEAVE ONE BEHIND! GREAT OLD POST, JJ. Charlie

I'm not going to plagiarize .... just list a infamous e-mail supposedly sent by George Carlin followed by the real low-down from snopes.com:

"I'm A Bad American" - by George Carlin

"I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American.

I am George Carlin. I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some midlevel governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies.

I'm not in touch with my feelings and I like it that way, damn it! I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang.

I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer. I believe it's called the Boy Scouts for a reason. I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you'd better do it in English. I don't use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for unpopular opinions or actions. I think fireworks should be legal on the 4th of July. I think that being a student doesn't give you any more enlightenment than working at Blockbuster. In fact, if your parents are footing the bill to put your pansy ass through 4-7 years of college,you haven't begun to be enlightened. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God. My heroes are John Wayne, the Simpsons, and whoever canceled Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman. I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it. I thinkglobal warming is a big lie. Where are all those experts now, when I am freezing my ass through a long winter? I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years in the desert after getting chased out of Egypt, I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you, so shut-the-****-up already. I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches. And where does he get his money. And why is he always part of the problem and not the solution. I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you're running from them. I also think they have the right to pull your ass over if you are breaking the law, regardless of what color you are. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years. I hate those bastards standing in the intersections trying to sell me crap or trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause.

These people should be targets. I think if you are in the passing lane, and not passing, your license should be revoked, and you should be forced to ride the bus until you promise to never delay the rest of us again. I think beef jerky could quite possibly be the perfect food. I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents. I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. I think Dr. Seuss was a genius. I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise. I believe if she has her lips on your willie, it is sex, and it is sex for both of you. This even applies when you are President of the United States. If that makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American. If you too are a BAD American please forward this to everyone you know. We need our country back!"

Origin quoted from Snopes.com:

Origins: Just about any unsourced list of witty observations about our politics and social mores gets credited to humorist George Carlin these days, even when it doesn't really sound like anything he would write. Carlin may sometimes use the format of stringing together a few dozen pithy comments about a wide variety of topical subjects, but the tone of his humor is nothing like this reactionary piece. If any doubt remained, Carlin himself swept it away by announcing on his web site that he is not the author of the article.

If not Carlin, then who did write it? This piece has also been credited to a number of decidedly conservative, outspoken media figures, such as rock star Ted Nugent, talk radio host Rush Limbaugh, and actor-comedian Denis Leary, but the even if the article may seem to echo the political opinions of these men, it doesn't quite match any of them, nor does the language used sound quite right for any of these figures. (Leary, like Carlin, has been credited with creating some other Internet favorites, such as a vituperative discourse on e-mail chain letters and the "Are You Man Enough?" essay.

This essay appeared in the FreeRepublic.com on-line forum back in September 2000 under the title "I Am a Bad Republican" (picking up title changes and additions since then as it was forwarded around the Internet), and the person who posted it there has taken credit for it in a recent message in that same forum.

Last updated: 11 June 2001

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Statistics are neat. You can show relationships to just about anything. Maybe more people were working, hence less crime. Cooler summers, less impulse killings. Statistics have also shown that there is less violent crime where there are looser gun carrying laws.

cttmr: Why don't you move to Australia then? I just about puked when I read your post (due to my humble position on gun control). Wake up buddy - do a little more research before you vote... or, maybe you're just one of those types that buy cars without opening the hood...................................................Quoted exerpt:

Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures

By Jon Dougherty© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime. The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the

population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime." Highlights of the study indicated that: The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan. Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures; "After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24 percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the middle ranking

countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the London Telegraph said. England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5 percent of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1 percent in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed among the "top 10" nations. The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4 percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark was second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent. Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization rates -- just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the Irish Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S. Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996. "The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says. "In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a

firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV. However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in 1988, to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999. Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder rates was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they note that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories -- burglary (3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall victimization (about 31 percent). Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent). In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread gun ban, violent crime had increased in the country. WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story: Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Assaults are up 8.6 percent.

Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent. In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent. In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily. There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly."

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Chief, I knew you were USN from earlier post, and I just do not understand how you can be so Aniti-Bush and pro Clinton of all things? Please explain! Charlie ex Navy Lt (Naval Aviator)!!!!

Well ... now that we bring military service into the conversation - I'm Active Military as well, currently on staff duty at an NROTC Unit, and I hail from the Silent Service (Submarines) where PRIDE RUNS DEEP. I've been in for 16 years.... and .... I agree WHOLE HEARTEDLY with the LT. SOOOOOooooo tell me Chief, when is the last time you've had someone point a gun at you? When's the last time you were robbed? Do you realize that THE ONLY WAY THE GOVERNMENT in ANY country can have ABSOLUTE POWER over the people is for them to disarm them first? Additionally, look at history ... why didn't Germany invade the U.S.? Because we were ARMED. Why was slavery abolished? Because we were ARMED. Why doesn't Britian rule the United States? Because we were ARMED.... So, go ahead and lay down your arms Chief, give up your right to free speech, and get that barcoded tattoo on the back of your neck. I pray to God Almighty that neither I, nor my son, ever live to see that day. I'll be going back to sea duty in another year, I'll be on deployment - in the Gulf on a Fast Attack or on a Ballistic Missile Boat under the Icecap. I'll feel safe, calm, dedicated to God and my country, and resting well knowing that if ANYONE EVER tries harm my family while I'm gone ... that all my wife has to do is press in a four digit code, watch the safe door spring open in the closet, and press a button that activates both a laser sight and lighting system. From that point, she's got nine rounds of 12 gauge #1 Buckshot at her fingertips ... "The Smoking Lamp is Lit in ALL authorized spaces...". p.s. What would YOUR family be able to do if YOU weren't home? Then again, what COULD you do even if you were there? Or - do you have double standards and OWN a gun yourself but just don't want anyone else to have one? HHmmmmm....

I can understand having a background check before buying a gun. I get the waiting period idea. I don't care for registration. Knowing where the guns are is the first step in taking them away.

There will always be criminals.

Criminals will always have guns.

There will never be enough laws passed to keep criminals from having guns.

According to the latest Gallup poll, criminals prefer unarmed victims.

You are less likely to be a victim if you are prepared.

Sorry. Them's the rules. I didn't make 'em up.

I feel crippled by my inability to put down on paper the thoughts that are exploding in my head. I am utterly struck speechless by those who can not think for themselves and understand facts. I dont understand those who thoughtlessly would blindly turn over our freedoms to the control of government. Isnt that how this country got started??? If you dont like your freedoms, thats fine. Go chain your self inside a port-a-potty somewhere. BUT DO NOT PRESUME TO TAKE FROM ME THE FREEDOMS THAT HAVE BEEN SO HARD WON AND DEFENDED BY THOSE WHO WENT BEFORE US. and yes I am a vet also. U.S.ARMY, 101st Airborne cj