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23 years ago
It's about damn time!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/16/oregon.transplant.reut/index.html 

PORTLAND, Oregon (Reuters) -- Oregon has denied a kidney transplant to a death row inmate in the hopes of ending a statewide debate about how best to keep him alive until he is executed, state officials said Monday.

Horacio Reyes-Camarena, a convicted killer, set off a furious debate last month by telling reporters he qualified for the transplant.

Citizens around the state, angry about deep budget cuts that are making it difficult for Oregon to pay for education and health care, weighed in on whether a man sentenced to die should be allowed the $100,000 surgery or the chance to take a donated kidney to his execution.

Although state officials insisted Reyes-Camarena never requested a kidney transplant, Steven Shelton, medical director at Oregon Department of Corrections, said a panel of physicians was asked to consider the transplant to settle the question of whether he would be a candidate.

"We decided if he didn't need to know the answer, everyone else in the world needed to know the answer," Shelton said.

The state pays $120,000 a year to clean Reyes-Camarena's blood with a dialysis machine at Two Rivers Correctional Institution. That treatment could continue for a decade as he appeals his death sentence in the 1996 murder of an 18-year-old woman.

While a kidney transplant for Reyes-Camarena could prove cheaper for taxpayers, the question of whether he should receive the much sought-after organ fueled an emotional debate.

Shelton said prisoners' rights is an ongoing debate, but hoped resolution in this case would turn people to talking about the underlying issues in the Reyes-Camarena debate, namely, the scarcity of organs in the United States and the rising costs of health care.

Shelton and health officials said that they denied the inmate the kidney because he did not meet all the criteria established by the state, which could range from mental health to drug use to prison behavior. The specific reasons why Reyes-Camarena was denied were not disclosed.

"As it stands now, people tend to focus on 'hey, how come those inmates are getting so much?' When the real question is, 'how come I'm getting so little'? Because inmates are not getting that much," Shelton said.

Charlie
23 years ago
I am sure there will be a stink put up over this, "poor" unfortunate person being denied the kidney!

Charlie
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
The humanity!

How's 'bout we "donate" his organs!

A lil' music maestro, and a one, and a two, and a three...
sketcha
23 years ago
Man, that's a tough one. I guess if he were not incarcerated, there is a chance (yeah right) that he could get a job and make enough money to pay for his dialysis. It's too damn bad that our appeals process takes so damn long!
cwilhelmi
23 years ago
Kind of sad that it will cost more to keep him alive than to give him a new kidney. They should expedite his trial based on health reasons and then they can save money and get rid of him!!
Fatshotbud
23 years ago
"Shelton and health officials said that they denied the inmate the kidney because he did not meet all the criteria established by the state, which could range from mental health to drug use to prison behavior. The specific reasons why Reyes-Camarena was denied were not disclosed."

I am not taking any side here just wanted to say this.
The mother of a friend of mine was taken off "the list" to receive a kidney (if one that matched became availible) when an exam turned up a possible problem with her lungs. This was a fine upstanding lady that was caught up in the same red tape of the qualification process as Reyes. She did finally get her transplant with a gifted kidney from a live donor (a family friend).
The qualifications programs are not perfect and everyone needs to be equally considered. However it says he does not qualify. So as far as the donor program part goes, "that the breaks".
My feelings on the other part is, if some individual wanted to donate a kidney; the state should probably
do the smart thing (economically speaking) and pay for the surgery to reduce costs.
Just my opinion and not going to contest it.

BUD
jimmy@ctconnect.com
23 years ago
I'm all for auctioning off the body parts of all convicted murderers on eBay myself ... so you probably don't want to hear my opinion ....

- just think, you could pick up a kidney with a "buy it now" option ... OR - get Grandpa that new heart he needs - even a lung replacement ....
tailgater
23 years ago
pull the plug now.
rwestcot
23 years ago
Due process can't be changed because of health reasons. Put in perspective, there are thousands of medicaid/medicare recips needing dialysis and we pay for that as well. That part is "Only money". Convicted felons are not even allowed student loans in most cases and IMO should not be eligible for transplant lists.
RICKAMAVEN
23 years ago
i can't believe that anyone would consider him a candidate for anything but asprins. this is madness pushed to it's extreme. can't pull the plug on him now, tailgater if you mean execute him.

if a family member of his want's to give him a kidney, why not use one of the doctors that just got here from so east asia and pay him $100.00 to do the best $100.00 job he can do.
RICKAMAVEN
23 years ago
Fatshotbud

"The qualifications programs are not perfect and everyone needs to be equally considered"

that is very nice of you to say that.

it is of course naive.
Charlie
23 years ago
Agree with tailgator, pull the damn plug! "Turn out the Lights, the Party's over" LOL

Charlie
tonester666
23 years ago
Sounds like Oregon needs dubya.
usahog
23 years ago
ummmmmmmm FFFFF FUG HIM!!!!!!!!!

I'm with TG here Expideat (sp) the Trial and Hang his Ass!!!!!!

Hog
Tobasco
23 years ago


I say we just use him as a guinny pig, try new stuff, see what happens....that goes for all the death row inmates....it would be better than rats....

Heck, if they help find a cure of a disease, then we can still execute them, but maybe it will save lives which can help make up for the one(s)he/she took...

Its just one of my crazy ideas....hehe!!.... :>)

Mag
limoric
23 years ago
ya know, when you concider it's estimated that 50% of the death row inmates are innocent, it stops to make you think. But of course if he's guilty, I've got some Thomas Hinds Vintage smokes that are sure to end his life. Anybody know his snailer
Spiny Norman
23 years ago
"""I say we just use him as a guinny pig, try new stuff, see what happens....that goes for all the death row inmates....it would be better than rats....

Heck, if they help find a cure of a disease, then we can still execute them, but maybe it will save lives which can help make up for the one(s)he/she took...

Its just one of my crazy ideas....hehe!!.... :>) """"





As I recall, a "Dr. Josef Mengele" shared a similar philosophy.

sketcha
23 years ago
I was always a staunch death penalty advocate. But with all of this new DNA evidence proving that BIG BROTHER has KILLED many an inocent man, I'm finding that view coming into question.

Here's a question for all of you...

Is it better to imprison a guilty man for life or even let him go free, or is it better to KILL an inocent man?

Justice is far from perfect. Some people get away with their crimes. I believe most, that are caught, don't.

We have rules governing our society. Due process must run its course. If he wants his case heard by the Supreme Court, he should get that chance so no one can say he didn't get a fair shake before WE kill him. I only wish there was a way to expedite the process for costly inmates such as this one.

O.K., I got my catcher's mitt, start slinging.
sketcha
23 years ago
BTW, if this man did anything to my family, I would want him dead! If there were no solid DNA evidence, then I don't know. With O.J., for example, there was plenty of evidence.

So to sum up...

I still am a death penalty advocate, but I would prefer good solid DNA evidence.
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