Steve - disenfranchising is a part of redistricting to some degree, but there has to be an acceptable level and if it goes to far or has the intent to disenfranchise or take a voice away from a group then something must be done. In this case it is an extra redistricting with the sole intent of building up GOP power. This is why the Texas senators were hiding out in Oklahoma...

Mag - If I'm delusional or paranoid then your beyond naive. I don't trust our government no matter who's in charge.

Chris you crack me up. You have no idea what its like to be a small business owner do you? You are the young and naive one.

How many paychecks have you issued to employees? How many checks have you written to state fund? How many licences and permits do you pay for every year? How many times have you delt with consumer affairs? Have you ever paid quarterly taxes? What about the EPA, how many times have you delt with them? How many fire and OSHA inspections have you done? How about payroll deductions?

These questions are just the tip of the iceburg for small business. You are a young man. Although I think you are a smart young man. But, for a 26yr old youngster like you, to tell an experienced businessman(16yrs)like me that I'm naive shows just how naive YOU really are.

I deal with crap you only read about. So get off you soap box before it breaks. I have so much more business experience than you in this state, that its a joke that I even debate you over it.

I will take a quote from the soon to be Gov Arnold. "When you start signing the front of paychecks, not the back, then you know something about business."

My computer locked up before I could finish the last post. Chris I bring these things up because as a small business owner, I'm affected in so many more ways than you when we have a Gov that isnt any good.

Do you own a house, a business, income property? I know the answer is no! You dont know, and wont fully know what the hell you are talking about until you experience some of the things I listed on the last post and this one.

Mag

Rayder I am shure you never run a buisness, here is my
opinion.Arnold should never have goin in the race he has enough money to have a good life.
Rayder you want politician to win the race,Politician dont even know what cost control is,and nune of them run a buisness before.In order to fix californias budget mess you need a buisnessman/manager how knows what coastcontrol is you cant run a buisness like they run the california goverment without getting bankrupt.However if I was rayder fan i would vote for a politican/lawyer.The other point in order to judge somebody because of his poor speech is plain stupid to you think every buisnessman is a speaker and last not least before you comment on my gramma EINSTEIN was poor in speech and worse in gramma so maybe he was a idiot upon your standard.Amen

Magnafide

stop picking on chris.

Rick, is that the best you can do? I'm not picking on him, he's been debating with me. If you dont like it dont read it. With all the crap you post, you should add to this discussion, or just butt out.

Mag

Holy $h*t have you had your coffee yet, Mag? Sensitive?

Sketcha, you are correct, I think I overeacted to Ricks post. Sorry Rick. But, I get the feeling that Rick can take it.

Who in these forums stirs the pot more than Rick, with his far left political positions? He has upset folks in these forums more times than I can count. But, then again so have I, so we are even, hehe!

Mag

Mag - What the F**k does any of that have to one iota with our discussion? I'm saying your naive if you think the government really cares about you like you suggested...

Chris, I think the Government does care, and it does matter to me and many other business owners in this state. Many businesses have left or gone out of business, because of the regulations and workers comp situation, just to name 2 reasons I can give many more if you need.

I think even Davis cares. But Davis doesnt seem to have the answers to our problems. Thats why a recall is taking place, not because of a power play. The largest state of the union is in trouble, and needs to make changes NOW!

When businesses leave the state, the Governor should be a concern. And thats because the lack of revenue gets even worse the way its going now. The people still here have to pay even more taxes to make up for the people that have left.

You are talking about a Republican power play, I'll never believe that. Business owners like me WANT A CHANGE! You wouldnt understand our reasons cause you are an employee not a busuness owner. You dont have the same perspective as I do.

You may be smart, but that doesnt make up for experience in life. And besides that how long have you lived in this state? I was born here and know how it used to be many, many years ago. It was better for business and education.

I've been a registered voter in this state before your mommy and daddy even conceived you. When I started my business you still had one finger up your nose.

Dont preach to me about this state or its current laws and regulations that effect business owners. Without guys like me, guys like you wouldnt have a job. Small business is one of the most important topics in this state.

Also, when I was a kid California always ranked in the top 5 states as far as test scores went. Now I believe we are in 27th place. Thats gotta change too. Its not all Davis fault there, its been on a decline for many years. But it needs to be looked at too. And just throwing money out there isnt the answer.

Alright, I feel better now. Had to get all that off my chest. Chris, I'm sorry if I seem too hard on you. But I'm very passionate about this topic. Nothing personal. Hehe, even the finger up your nose line is for affect only!... ;>)

Mag

Screw this!

Hey how about those A's & Giants! Hope its a Bay Series. The Giants face the Marlins on Tues!

The Raiders are looking better this week. Or should I say sound better. They didnt sell out, so I'm watching the Giants game and listening to the Raiders game on 'Real Audio NFL Game Pass'!

The Niners had their asses handed to them earlier by Minn. I loved it!

You gonna make it to next weeks herf Chris? If so, I'll see you there. Enough debating this weekend for me. I'm out!!

Mag

PS: This is my thread so I can threadjack it...hehe!

I was just at the Giants Game, it was awesome. I got to meet Vida Blue and get my picture with him. And Mc Hammer also stopped by our suite, which was less exciting...

C

Wow Chris, Vida! Thats pretty cool! Did he ask you to give him your car? Hehe!

Mag

I remember watching a game when I was a kid and Vida Blue got beaned bad in the head, spun around and collapsed.
It's amazing he wasnt killed.

He was actually really cool, we talked about how MC Hammer pissed away all of his money(after hammer had left) and some of the other sports notables who've done the same.

I got a great picture with him also, when I get it back I'll post it!

Chris...Ol Hammer isn't doing to bad any more. He sure pissed away his dough. His fault is that he was eternally generous. He paid bills for everyone who asked him. Gave his friends every cent they asked for and never listened to a business manager.

I played softball against him and his team in a softball league in Fremont. When you play ball with him, his name is Stanley. After the game, the trunk of the Mercedes opened up and a huge supply of beer, sodas and expensive drinks appeared.

Once Ricky Henderson came by to watch Hammer and his team play. It was kind of cool. He was still in his heyday, but very much a normal guy. Funny, we didn't know who he was until we played his team and people kept asking for autographs.

BTW...nice threadjack.

This recall is going to cost over $70 million, what a great use of our money while we have a deficit...

Every day in CA, the state spends 29 Million MORE than it takes in. EVERY DAY! So dont make like 70 million is a big deal. If it corrects the current financial situation, it will save Money!