Whoops, my reply was in response to smelly. LOL!!

ONE bet ?? ... you've gotta be kidding ... but even one bet is against the rules of baseball and will earn a guy banishment from the game. Drinking, drugs and womanizing, while scarcely moral qualities are NOT agains the rules ...

Understand ... it's not a conspiracy agains Pete Rose ... it's the RULES of the game that are rules for a specific and highly valid reason ... gambling taints the integrity of the games ... period. And Pete Rose GAMBLED, despite KNOWING that doing so could get him banned if he were cought ... which he was ... for HUNDREDS of bets, some placed from the clubhouse ...

I have no argument with his being admitted to the HoF ... his accomplishments are incredible ... but there's NO way he should have his ban lifted ... period, end of discussion. Spend your time and effort arguing that the HoF should change their rules to allow quality players based on accomplishment WHETHER they are banned from the game or not ... but don't continue to say he deserves to have the ban lifted, because he simply does not.

Dang, that should have said......
As much as I didn't care for Mantle, he did deserve to be inducted into the Hall of Fame for his accomplishements. Even though he did gamble and drink and fight and just about everything else. LOL!!

Hi Steve,
I'm not arguing that he should or shouldn't be eligible. I do think that they should have clear guidleings as to who is eligible.
If they are basing it on morals, then ban the drug users.
The message that baseball is sending to kids is, that it is ok to do drugs, just don't gamble.
As a parent, I think that is wrong.
The fact that Rose's write in votes by the sports writers was down from 17 to 14 this years says that he is losing his battle.

I mean ONE BET.....as in one bet too many , sorry steve...not trying to rile you...just stating my opinion. and yes i agree the hall should change thier rules on alot of areas ! when drug users ( which doesn't set a good example to the kids ) is still "elegible" there's something very wrong ! and the shadows in the closets of the ones in the hall already are nowhere as bad as gambling on a game your "not" involved with personally ( it may be the same sport but your not playing in it). and if not caught...do you agree...putting all predijust about his gambling aside and behind.....he would be in the hall now ? right ! that's my major point , he...on accomplishments in the game of baseball....deserves to be inducted ! gambling aside ( i know it is a "RULE" ). yes , this is a good discussion !! 🙂

Rose should be in the HoF, but only after he is long dead.

A new rookie this season may get 200 hits.
And he may repeat that feat for the next 19 years.




Yet he would still be 400 or so shy of Pete Rose's hit record.

I don't care about Rose the Thug getting re-instated. But to keep him from the hall of fame diminishes the importance of such an institution.

Offensive ability in MLB is based on HITS.
And the player who had more than anybody else in history is not in the hall.

Cooperstown is a political sham.

'gater ... you're right ... he should be in the HoF, but not reinstated ...

That can only be accomplished by the HoF accepting guys who're banned ... which they CAN do if they so choose ... Pete, Shoeless Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver should ALL be accepted ... the HoF has long been less than it should be due to the absence of the latter two ...

IMO, all the hue and cry about Pete belonging in the Hall should be directed TO the HoF, not to Bud Selig

Lets see if I have this right. He bet baseball games BUT NEVER his own? Really so a gambler is not going tobet on the thing he knows best?! Really?? If he bet baseball he sure as crap bet his games! And if he bet his games then you know there is the chance that he did something to influence the games outcome. His credentials say he has HOF on the field, he broke the number one rule. I am sorry Pete your out. Lets stop this "come on give the guy a break: that we have in this day and age.

AND while we are at it!! Toss OPUT anohter one of my EX favorites!!!

O.J. from football hall!!

"He bet baseball games BUT NEVER his own? Really so a gambler is not going tobet on the thing he knows best?! If he bet baseball he sure as crap bet his games! And if he bet his games then you know there is the chance that he did something to influence the games outcome. I am sorry Pete your out. Lets stop this "come on give the guy a break."
I never said he "never" bet on baseball , just i don't think that he bet on the games he was playing in . "Influence" the outcome'? i doubt it....he "was" a good baseball player ! off the field gambling is what got him caught , and calling his bookie from the dugout wasn't bright at all.....but do you think he's the only one ? we can't be that ignorant , of course there are others ! i'm just saying....he's been "out" of baseball all this time....he can't do anything in baseball anymore ( who'd want him ) due to his reputation . put him on a "sort-of" baseball probation and let it go ! if we start eleminating the hall of fame of all the shaded players......we might as well call it the shack of fame....cause it'll have alot less members ! "On the field" ....and nobody is disputing this....On the field playing and records prove he should be in there ! if they would just do it...this would all be forgotten and it wouldn't keep "poping up" every other year. so just let him in and be done with it ! let him "fade away" . what year did they catch him gambling and when did they ban him from baseball ? anyone ?? how long has this dragged on?

Much debated subject, but here's my .02


Pete Rose is by FAR ONE OF THE BEST ball players the game has ever seen, matter of fact one of the best bats as well. Pete Rose was not a super start player but his baseball playing was tremendus , he was a fighter everyday he step foot in the field. Pete Rose as a player is as much deserving of a Hall of Fame spot as anyother player. With that said, I have moxed feelings....

I am in a limbo, sort of speak. Pete was a great ball player and if that is all you'd look at he must go to the HOF, his game sure deserves it. However I do belive that what he did, his betting, had a tremendous impact in baseball. Think about it, what makes this sport so interesting? I'll tell you what, the fact that any team, can come in and play against another team and have the opportunity to win. The fact that a team like the Marlins, can have a season as mediocre as they did, come back in the post season with one of baseball's lowest salaries, play a great ball game and beat the team with the highest salary, and a team with great tallent!! That is baseball, but what happens if one day a thought crosses your mind, "well it was probably fixed".
As soon as people start to think that of the game, baseball is over. I belive Pete Rose did this to the game, I think that by his dissregard and dissrespect for a game that gave him everything, he has done an irreversable thing. Is this merrit his banning from the HOF? I don't know?? What is the HOF, it is a museum, and only a museum, Hitler is in museums arround the world, is Pete worst than Hitler? Why shoudn't he then be allowed in Baseball's museum? The HOF if filled with memorries of men and their acomplishment in baseball and shortcomings as men! Pete shouldn't be there because he made catastrophic mistakes????
Like I said I have mixed feelings, and I am glad I am not the one making the decision. On the other hand, I am certain that Pete Rose should never, under no circumstance be evere allowed to manage a professional baseball team, I would even go as far as to say that he should never be allowed to participate in anything that has to do with professional baseball!! He is a disgrace.

willie mays was given a courtesy pr position at one of the casinos in vegas. a greeter, a handshaker.

he had to quit the job because of the baseball rules and he did.

all this after he had retired.

pete rose can kiss off.

Rick,

You can never compare Willie to Pete, it's like comparing Hitler to Winston Churchill!!!

an you say "Influence" the outcome'? i doubt it....

HE was the MANAGER!!!!!!
ok I'm done. 🙂

Let's forget about him during his managing years.
Let's look only at his playing years, because those are the one's he made special.

We all agree Rose is a thug.
But he is the greatest hitter ever.
And he did it without being the greatest pure athlete.
He did it by shear will, determination, grit and perserverance.

And he gambled.

But does ANYONE think, for even one moment, that this individual, who put his body on the line every game, would EVER bet "Against" his own team???
And did ANY of his at bats ever allude to tampering with the outcome of a game???


Let's not be so coy as to think the once-proud, but always-great institution of Major League Baseball could be systematically dismantled because a player or two bet on games.
Heck, one of today's greatest homerun hitters shatters his bat and reveals his illegal cork, and all he gets is a slap on the wrist and public embarrassment.

I think a corked bat, or a scuffed ball, or a designer steroid, have affected MANY more games than a simple bet by a player ever has.

Betting on a game and "throwing a game" may appear similar, but they are quite different indeed.

tailgater .........well said and well put ! especially the cork and steroids part !!! very good point ! since those are two points that "are moral enough" not to be against the rules ( hahaha) ! pete bet got banned.......today players are shooting steriods and corking bat's ! past players did it without the need to "CHEAT" i doubt Pete Rose shot any steroids or cork a bat. i think if thier going to ban and exclude criminals like a gambling player....they should ban the cheaters as well ! test'em all for drugs ! if drugs are present without reason....."YOUR BANNED" ! GO HOME AND GET A REAL JOB , FOR NORMAL PAY !!!

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