frozenphoenix1
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 4:18:29 PM
I'm a noob that stumbled upon this site looking for an affordable humidor. To start, I have been a seasonal smoker, I live in Minnesota, for the past few years and am looking at expanding my tastes and buying more than a few at a time.

What would you veterans recommend as a starter type humidor for the occasional smoker? I see all of the different humidification items as well, what types do you prefer?

Just looking for experienced opinions.

Thanks in advance.

Thunder.Gerbil
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 4:29:14 PM
Whatever size humidor you think you want to get, don't. Get one three or four times larger because humidor capacities are typically rated with smaller cigars, and, you'll end up filling it faster than you think.

Humidification, unless it's a big enough cabined for an active humidifier (hydra, cigar oasis, et. al.) go with beads. Can't post the names here, because it's a competitor reference, but check your PM's in a minute or two.

ggriffi
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 6:01:43 PM
Now lets just hope that the OP pays attention to you TG.
jojoc
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 6:19:44 PM
TG's advise is right on. Don't buy a 20 count!

Another option to consider rather than beads is the Humi-care Chrystal Gel Jars. I use both the Gel and Beads. I live in North Idaho and find that during the winter beads have a hard time keeping the Rh high enough for my tastes (60-63%) due to the very low Rh in my house (about 20-25%) during the heart of winter.

By the way, velkome to the nuthouse

GrayBeard2
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 6:20:43 PM
Personally I'd say get a tupperware or similar container that seals well, remember larger is best, you will fill it. Get one or two jars of gel crystals and you're good to go. Use distilled water to top up crystals and you'll be fine. No need for RH check or temp. Just don't store above 80 deg.

I've kept my cigars this way for longer than I can remember, never had a problem with beetles or mold. As you get more familiar with cigars you should learn to squeeze and feel the humidity/ripeness of the cigar.

This advice is not intended for folks with really large wooden humi's, furniture requires more attention.

I know I'll probably get a storm on this, but it works for me and I feel a lot of new and maybe some old timers get caught up in the "current trend". Standard says 70deg and 70 RH. Well that has never been the norm in Cuba or anywhere else in the world. Not sure what was done in 1700-1800's but I'm sure they didn't have an Oasis for their humidor.

frozenphoenix1
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 6:34:57 PM
TG,thanks for the quick reply and PM.

Jojoc, thanks for the information on the beads vs crystals in similar Rh conditions.

GB2, That seems like a good idea for long term storage. I may use that during the winter months, but would like a nice humi to display and keep out.

Thunder.Gerbil
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 9:38:09 PM
Phoenix, 'welcome. Enjoy the ride.

jojoc, that's true, Humi-care jars are another option and they certainly do work, but I've found that they don't work in all instances, or don't work _well_ in all instances. They can give off a lot of moisture, but they do it slowly. Beads are much faster to adjust to changes and stabilize the environment. Gel also is very slow at reducing excess humidity in humidors, again, beads are very quick about it. Beads are also simpler for those starting out. In light of all that, my beliefs are that if you're only going to have one cigar storage container, and you are going to be smoking out of it, go with beads - either 60% or 65%, and I've found that 65% tends to yield cigars that are more enjoyable to more palates, 60% is more of an acquired taste. If you have coolers for overflow and want to put gel in there, great, go for it. I have gel jars in some of my coolers.

I know I'll probably get a storm on this, but it works for me and I feel a lot of new and maybe some old timers get caught up in the "current trend". Standard says 70deg and 70 RH. Well that has never been the norm in Cuba or anywhere else in the world. Not sure what was done in 1700-1800's but I'm sure they didn't have an Oasis for their humidor.

GrayBeard2 wrote:

Yup, the 70/70 being ideal is a BS myth propagated by some marketing department somewhere to push the sales of PG/H2O solution and credos. When you mix equal parts by weight of pure water and propylene glycol solution, at 70F it will naturally balance at just under 70RH.

As far as anyone can tell, cigars in the 1700-1800's were very different than what they are today. Different tobaccos, treatments, rolling/bunching preferences, humidities, flavor profiles and there was very little concern for precise humidity in storage. It was what it was. If it was too dry for your tastes, you soaked a brick in a bucket of water and put in the box or cabinet where you had the cigars. If they were too wet, you let them dry a bit. A lot of what I've read tends to indicate that most cigars were stored at very low RHs - like 40-50%.

frozenphoenix1
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 11:18:04 PM
Hey guys, this is great info. Any other things that I should stray away from for my first humidor? I've looked at all sorts of them over the past week and wonder if there are things that make one type better than others, i.e. glass top or solid wood? For the larger models, do drawers or extra doors just require more monitoring and care during the drier seasons?

You guys are a great help.

chemyst
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 11:20:08 PM
Welcome to CBid!

The above advice is spot on.

Ignore busa! LOL

Chemyst 😎

BDS12
Saturday, March 5, 2011 10:56:51 AM
Any of you gents out there have any thoughts on keeping your gars in cello in the humidor, I have it about half and half right now.

Thanx

fishinguitarman
Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:55:26 AM

Any of you gents out there have any thoughts on keeping your gars in cello in the humidor, I have it about half and half right now.

Thanx

BDS12 wrote:

LOL! It's a long standing joke here about people asking about cello on/off so if somebody gives you some strife about asking the question, tell them to kiss your....NAH don't do that...

It's whatever floats your boat....I leave mine on...The cello is porous and it protects the cigars from damage . Others will differ, but thats my story.......

elk hunter
Saturday, March 5, 2011 12:21:30 PM
Somewhere there is a great example as to why you should leave celloed cigars celloed.... I haven't found it yet but, they put a naked stick and a celloed stick in a sealed humidor at high RH for like a year.... mold city on the naked smoke and walls of the humi but, NOTHING on the celloed stick....

Pretty compelling!!!!!

fishinguitarman
Saturday, March 5, 2011 12:50:00 PM

Somewhere there is a great example as to why you should leave celloed cigars celloed.... I haven't found it yet but, they put a naked stick and a celloed stick in a sealed humidor at high RH for like a year.... mold city on the naked smoke and walls of the humi but, NOTHING on the celloed stick....

Pretty compelling!!!!!

elk hunter wrote:

Reason enough right there....

elk hunter
Saturday, March 5, 2011 1:25:46 PM
I looked and looked to no avail.... Sorry...
fishinguitarman
Saturday, March 5, 2011 1:34:24 PM

I looked and looked to no avail.... Sorry...

elk hunter wrote:

At least you gave it the ole college effort!

MCAddict
Saturday, March 5, 2011 2:27:58 PM

Any of you gents out there have any thoughts on keeping your gars in cello in the humidor, I have it about half and half right now.

Thanx

BDS12 wrote:

I use a combination of both. I slide the stick to the edge of the cello tube and cut the cello at the tip. This privides protection when handling and allows air circulation along it's length.[gonzo]

BDS12
Saturday, March 5, 2011 3:11:27 PM

LOL! It's a long standing joke here about people asking about cello on/off so if somebody gives you some strife about asking the question, tell them to kiss your....NAH don't do that...

It's whatever floats your boat....I leave mine on...The cello is porous and it protects the cigars from damage . Others will differ, but thats my story.......

fishinguitarman wrote:

Kinda knew I might take a beating with this question , but had to ask anyway. This is the best place to ask !!!

Thanx guys, appreciate it