antoniaspapa
Sunday, March 6, 2011 6:33:05 PM
This is a hypothetical question!

Let's say you answer an ISO from a botl. You send him what he's asking for because either he can't afford it or it's hard too find, or his BM doesn't carry it. You throw in a few hithchikers (LP 9, T52, Viaje, Illusione, etc), remember you're trying to help a brother out here. In return he sends you something that you consider quite a bit less than what you expected, sticks in the $2.00-3.00 range. I understand that trades can sometimes be a hit or miss situation unless the details are worked out in advance. But I feel that when someone post an ISO they should be willing to trade at least equal value smokes in return, in my case I would likely over compensate but that's just me.

So now what do you do, I asked my vet the same "hypothetical question" and got some good advice but I thought I would throw this out there.

Do You?

Chalk it up to experience

Forget about it and go on

Email him and say WTF

I won't torch anyone on the forum so that's not an option

Any other suggestions on what you would do "hypothetically" of course.

PAPA

grmcooper
Sunday, March 6, 2011 6:36:01 PM
Quit cryin. Get over it. Oh better get a coat for this thread you cheap ass.
muhren
Sunday, March 6, 2011 6:38:10 PM
Combo!

Chalk it up to experience and forget about it and go on.

M

coolbreeze68
Sunday, March 6, 2011 6:52:40 PM

Combo!

Chalk it up to experience and forget about it and go on.

M

muhren wrote:

+1 muhren.

I've had 1 that was a little questionable and I'm sure there has been a few guys get packages from me and think wth during the learning stages. (if so, let me know and I'll make it up)

I would say if your nervous about it, be more specific with the trade requirements...

If not, it is what it is.....personally, when I start worrying about it, this place won't be fun anymore. Just my 2cents.

schusler
Sunday, March 6, 2011 6:52:53 PM
if you were really just trying to help out a botl, let it go.... if you were wanting a trade based on value, email and let them know they weren't up to par....may have been an honest mistake... just my thoughts...
elk hunter
Sunday, March 6, 2011 6:55:50 PM
Unfortunately, unless you nail down an EXACT trade, there isn't much you can do... I guess I would message them in private, and see if they will make it right...

If it is a noob, they might not understand(that is me giving the benefit of the doubt) I would hope this is the case...

If they don't make it right, never trade with them again but, if you are going to warn people, do it in a PM not on the boards.... THAT gets ugly!!!!

Maybe you could also find out who their VET is and talk to them... they could prod the guy/gal to make it right???

Like I said, unless you told him/her you wanted X, X, and X in exchange for Y, Y, and Y, you are kinda stuck.... Sorry...

Babaki
Sunday, March 6, 2011 7:10:26 PM
just because its cheap doesnt mean its bad
NewB76
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:01:21 PM
I usually just wipe a cigar or 2 on my Schwetty Balls before I send them out in a trade. I find that it's a Win-Win situation regardless of what I get in return.

muhren
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:09:26 PM

I usually just wipe a cigar or 2 on my Schwetty Balls before I send them out in a trade. I find that it's a Win-Win situation regardless of what I get in return.

NewB76 wrote:

This made me laugh out loud.

I think only because you've never sent me anything. BUT, I sent you something...enjoy the ballz!! LOL

M

tonyt722
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:10:14 PM
My question is what was the value of the ISO cigar the other person was looking for? You threw in the others (LP 9, T52, Viaje, Illusione, etc) on your own, and therefore were not agreed upon with the original ISO.
lou2row
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:11:52 PM

I usually just wipe a cigar or 2 on my Schwetty Balls before I send them out in a trade. I find that it's a Win-Win situation regardless of what I get in return.

NewB76 wrote:

note to self: never trade with NewB. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

Any tag a longs you send are at your discretion. And sometimes, people think MSRP and what something goes for at auction differently. In a blind review trade, my high end cigar I sent was an Opus X. The top cigar sent to me was a graycliff 1666. Not even other than MSRP. Oh well. Funny thing is, the guy that got the Opus X bandless thought it was a Dark Shark, and I am fine with the 1666 as a yard gar.

PM me your addy. I will try to make it up to you so you don't quit helping people out. I've done a few of these my friend, and there are alot of Donald Trumps out there.

mikey1597
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:16:29 PM
Ya might ought to consider sending a PM and explain your thoughts of the trade. The other brutha might not know that you always try to out do expectations in a trade. Chances are that it was not intentional, just a lack of knowledge, and if it is not explained to him it will happen again to another that might not be as nice to him and flame him out in public, and that's not a good thing.

just my thought

donutboy2000
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:23:41 PM
Fool me once. Shame on you.

Fool me twice. Shame on me.

chazbo
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:27:10 PM
Anti pasta sorry to hear you were not happy with a trade. Happens to all of us at one time or another. But on the other side I have been humbled by many generous botl/sotl on this forum. Karma my man, it's all good.

Your probably get yours!

Chazbo

Thunder.Gerbil
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:33:19 PM
You, as the fulfiller of someone's request, needs to realize that the "hitchhikers", no matter how valuable, are not part of the trade - they are gifts which you gave willingly. If you sent them for reasons other than that, you probably should reconsider getting involved in trading, or, negotiate every single cigar that will be sent, including the "bonus" "hitchhiker" cigars down to the letter over email ahead of time and then send nothing more.

Was what he sent back to you an equitable return on the requested cigar(s)? Only you can make the judgment if a quantity of lower value cigars equals the smaller number of higher end cigar(s) that you sent.

If you do not feel that what you received was an equatable return for only the requested cigar(s) that you sent, then a private communication between you and the other party is the best way to handle it. In most instances you will find that people will attempt to make things right.

If you can not reach a private agreement on the resolution, then you need to carefully consider the ramifications of "outing" someone publicly on a forum, as this can backfire on you. This can also happen if you decide to involve this person's vet, as you are still outing that person, just privately. Most likely the vet will try to help you recover your cigars or be compensated adequately for them, but it's not their responsibility or liability to do such.

lou2row
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:33:38 PM

Anti pasta sorry to hear you were not happy with a trade. Happens to all of us at one time or another. But on the other side I have been humbled by many generous botl/sotl on this forum. Karma my man, it's all good.

Your probably get yours!

Chazbo

chazbo wrote:

Chaz speaks the truth. Don't judge one trade. Most people in the grand scheme of things average out. I never worried about the bad trades, because I was always happy with trades I made with friends.

And dicks usually get found out soon enough.

hombre
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:40:33 PM
I have had one or two trades over the years where I didn't get back what I would call a fair value for what I sent. But, then I have sent many bombs out and got back far more then I sent. (reference Knucklehead Betadawg who blew the crap out of me multiple times) It all washes and I always figured the person sent the best they could. Never really thought twice about it.

NewB76
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:42:04 PM

BUT, I sent you something...enjoy the ballz!! LOL

M

muhren wrote:

Dang, I'd just thought that your humidity was high ๐Ÿค”

I should have known that the hair in 1 of the baggies was in fact a pube. :-&

Eff it, at least they were all Premo's!

grege93
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:46:57 PM

I usually just wipe a cigar or 2 on my Schwetty Balls before I send them out in a trade. I find that it's a Win-Win situation regardless of what I get in return.

I hope it wasn't the Ashton Cabinet I just lit up.[-o< ๐Ÿ™ :-& :-& ๐Ÿคจ ๐Ÿคจ ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฎ

NewB76 wrote:

muhren
Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:56:00 PM

Dang, I'd just thought that your humidity was high ๐Ÿค”

NewB76 wrote:

My, uh,' Humidity' is high! ๐Ÿ–

M