Wow . . .

not bad..

I've never heard of him before this..

he makes valid points...

Ah, but what can you say about any religion that preaches hatred? And the hatred is often taught in subtle and insidious way. “you know, those that accept (insert deity here) as our lord are immoral, and are the enemy of redemption”.

But in the end, you have to pick a belief system. Lets face it – You can't win if you don't play.

[quote=Brewha]Ah, but what can you say about any religion that preaches hatred? And the hatred is often taught in subtle and insidious way. “you know, those that accept (insert deity here) as our lord are immoral, and are the enemy of redemption”.

But in the end, you have to pick a belief system. Lets face it – You can't win if you don't play.[/quote]


religious belief at it's foundation is a pure and good thing.
Sadly,
when the human element is interjected is often times is bastardized.

That being said,
The message at it's root is good...

what does liberalism have to do with this speaker.
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jetblasted 2

wow what, the speake didn't say anything original
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wheelrite 3

what did eiher of the first 2 or the speaker on utube say
worth judging as wow or not bad?
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Brewha 6

But in the end, you have to pick a belief system. why do
you have to pick a belief system,

just pick what nakes sense to you. all the belief systems
will eventually teach you why you should kill the guys
that believe smething diferent otherwise you won't get to
sit at the right hand of your chosen god, when you die,
and make no mistake about it, you will die.

just try to have the best time you can while you can.
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wheelrite 7

"That being said,
The message at it's root is good..."

you are probably right.
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[quote=RICKAMAVEN]what does liberalism have to do with this speaker. [/quote]

Rick,

He makes the point that secular liberals often take the side of the Palestinian people against Israel and thus become the tools of islamic terrorism. This is true because the islamic world wants to wipe Israel off the map, not just find a home for the Palestinian people.

Ironically, like the post WWII world that for the most part refused to offer a place for the Jewish people, the Arab world has also refused to offer a place for the displaced Palestinian people.

The post WWII world did offer a place for the Jewish people. It followed the "Not In My Back Yard" principle. It was, however, in the Palestinians' back yard.

Nobody is offering a place for the displaced ethnic Serbians that were run out of Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo with NATO and US military air support.

Nobody is offering a place for the Kurds.



Generally, displacing people is frowned upon. Finding new places instead of the right of return for refugees is also frowned upon. Generally!

[quote=Gene363]Rick,

He makes the point that secular liberals often take the side of the Palestinian people against Israel and thus become the tools of islamic terrorism. This is true because the islamic world wants to wipe Israel off the map, not just find a home for the Palestinian people.

[color=indigo]Ironically, like the post WWII world that for the most part refused to offer a place for the Jewish people, the Arab world has also refused to offer a place for the displaced Palestinian people[/quote]



Nothing like INVITING HockeyDad in to your thread. Kiss your original intent good-bye!

[quote=HockeyDad]The post WWII world did offer a place for the Jewish people. It followed the "Not In My Back Yard" principle. It was, however, in the Palestinians' back yard.

Nobody is offering a place for the displaced ethnic Serbians that were run out of Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo with NATO and US military air support.

Nobody is offering a place for the Kurds.


Generally, displacing people is frowned upon. Finding new places instead of the right of return for refugees is also frowned upon. Generally![/quote]


[quote=rfenst][/color]


Nothing like INVITING HockeyDad in to your thread. Kiss your original intent good-bye![/quote]

I should have said:

Ironically, the post WWII world, including countries in which the Jews were living before being shipped to various concentration camps, refused to offer a place for the Jewish people, the Arab world has also refused to offer a place for the displaced Palestinian people.

[quote=Gene363]I should have said:

Ironically, the post WWII world, including countries in which the Jews were living before being shipped to various concentration camps, refused to offer a place for the Jewish people, the Arab world has also refused to offer a place for the displaced Palestinian people.


[/quote]


Wait...this just in from our News desk...it seems that in fact the Arab world has found a place for the Palestinian people. They will be welcomed in with open arms and given everything Allah can shower upon them. This holy place the Arabs have found? Dearborn, Michigan.

Film at 11.

Don't worry Rfenst, I won't do anything to detract from the original message that all liberals are bad...I. Just get a kick out of why this time!

They get bashed for wanting peace and bashed for wanting war. Sometimes at the same time like with Libya! Liberals. Just can't get killing right!

Gene,

I hope you are not criticizing Europe for not creating an Israel in the Ruhr valley or something. Only the President of Iran openly says that kind of stuff.

The Jews did have the right to return from the camps. Many didn't wat to for understandable reasons.

The gypsies also were devasted and didn't get a country. Sucks for them.

[quote=HockeyDad]Gene,

I hope you are not criticizing Europe for not creating an Israel in the Ruhr valley or something. Only the President of Iran openly says that kind of stuff.

The Jews did have the right to return from the camps. Many didn't wat to for understandable reasons.

The gypsies also were devasted and didn't get a country. Sucks for them. [/quote]

You need to read a little more about post WWII, the allies essentially painted over the death camp signs, with Repatriation Camp and continued to hold the inmates. They did feed and clothe them a little better though. Some did not want to return for obvious reasons, it was also made clear they were not welcome.

Most of the gypsies were dead at the end of the war, those left didn't wish to return to India..

[quote=Gene363]You need to read a little more about post WWII, the allies essentially painted over the death camp signs, with Repatriation Camp and continued to hold the inmates. They did feed and clothe them a little better though. Some did not want to return for obvious reasons, it was also made clear they were not welcome.[/quote]

If that indeed was the situation, why were the Palestinians chosen to suffer for it? This is the point Ahmadinejad has made on a number of occasions.

God created man, and He gave man the Law.

MAN created religion in an effort to control other men's hearts, minds and pocketbooks.

I believe in God. I do not believe in organized religion. ✋

[quote=HockeyDad]If that indeed was the situation, why were the Palestinians chosen to suffer for it? This is the point Ahmadinejad has made on a number of occasions.

[/quote]

It was.

Ahmadinejad says there was no Holocaust and there are no gays in Iran, great source. There have always been Jews in the place formally called Palestine. Ahmadinejad also forgets that the Ottoman empire was on the losing side of WWI after which the state of Palestine, including both Arab and Jewish people, was set up by the League of Nations. The Palestinians chose to suffer because they insist on the elimination of the Jewish people.

I don't know why the Arab world is upset about the Jews in Israel anyway. They are doing the same thing in Europe. The Bosnian people tried to do some ethnic cleansing and look what happened to them. NATO, aka, the US actions saved the islamic people from being wiped out, you would think they would be more thankful to the west.

[quote=MACS]God created man, and He gave man the Law.

MAN created religion in an effort to control other men's hearts, minds and pocketbooks.

I believe in God. I do not believe in organized religion. ✋ [/quote]

I can't argue with that.

Religions, clubs, political organizations and gangs have way too many things in common, starting with, "Them Vs Us"