[quote=wheelrite]Ross Perot cost Bush #1 the 92 election.[/quote]


Nope.

Tellin' ya...look up what I said earlier.

There's n way a Prez with upper 70% approval ratings loses.

[quote=DrMaddVibe]Nope.

Tellin' ya...look up what I said earlier.

There's n way a Prez with upper 70% approval ratings loses.[/quote]


Better be careful DMV...folks will start talking tin foil hats and black helicopters and stuff.

[quote=rfenst]Giuliani was a flop because he was clueless. He had popular appeal as an outsider, but no real political machine on the ground in each state.

McCain was the lesser of two evils for me, but he blew my already- shaky confidence by lying to Letterman (seriously), insisting on delaying the Republican Convention, and the way he "parachuted" in to and ran to Washington during the financial crisis in 2008. It didn't leave me with an impression that he would make calm, collected decisions. Obama came off as far more serious and McCain left me with the impression that he makes rash, uncalculated decisions- from the gut.

Obama, after a couple months of "soul searching", became the new lesser of two evils for me. Had things gone right however, I would have voted for Hillary without reservation.

The economy is historically interesting in that it was the real reason Bush1 lost re-election. It took a few more months than he had touted for it to come around from recession. Had it done so on time, Bush1 would have probably beat Bill Clinton. I really liked Bush1 as our President as I did with Reagan. Flaws aside, they still made me feel good as an American. The economy was great during Clinton. The trade deficit was down, social programs were fairly well funded and the dollar was strong. But, I cannot give Clinton all or too much of the credit for that. Economic cycles have lives of their own. Worldwide financial problems hurt everyone else- like Greece and Italy right now.

Anyhow, I have probably given too much fodder here for others to start making personal attacks, I do believe as of right now- Obama wins.

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Wow, Robert......I tend to agree with most everything you said. I think we would have been better off with Hillary and I was pulling for her over Obama. I still believe she would have done things much different than Obama. I'm a conservative and even I didn't like a single Republican candidate as much as I liked Reagan. And, this election is heading straight down the toilet as well. Is this the best the Republicans can muster??? We are screwed....... Having said that, GW was elected because Gore and Kerry were the best the Dems could muster.....

I'm honestly beginning to think that our country is on it's last legs. The days of good, somewhat honest candidates who have a reasonable plan is long, long gone. In fact, I would take Ron Paul now in a heartbeat - at least he has a plan and he's not afraid to say what it is and accept the ridicule he gets for it.

You're not alone in thinking this way, Chief.
We're the proverbial frog in the slowly heating water. As soon as it starts to boil within a year or two (higher interest rates), the howling will truly begin.

[quote=bloody spaniard]You're not alone in thinking this way, Chief.
We're the proverbial frog in the slowly heating water. As soon as it starts to boil within a year or two (higher interest rates), the howling will truly begin.[/quote]

We have made it through much worse than this before and everything will be just fine in the long-run. Just not the same. Take a look at history concerning the recessions during the mid to late 70's and early 80s. Unemployment in some areas ranged between 15-20%; 7%+ inflation; prime rate and the like as high as 18%; and government food price controls. We permanently lost major industries (such as steel) to developing overseas competitors, who had cheaper labor. Banks and S&Ls failed at astonishing rates. Major industries failed. Stocks tanked. The federal government had to step in financially. And, somehow it all got straightened out...

[quote=rfenst] And, somehow it all got straightened out...[/quote]


It did?:-s

^ more like passed on to future generations...

Robert, the difference is that the debt load is barely manageable for EVERYONE (only sustainable due to low interest rates) & the line of credit valve is closing fast.

While I do worry about the current situation, especially because I have children, I take a little solace in the fact that this "We're teetering on the edge" rhetoric has been going for forever.

Heck, if you listen to political radio (dem and rep), every single election is by far the most important in our lives!

[quote=yardobeef]While I do worry about the current situation, especially because I have children, I take a little solace in the fact that this "We're teetering on the edge" rhetoric has been going for forever.
Heck, if you listen to political radio (dem and rep), every single election is by far the most important in our lives![/quote]


I can appreciate your take on the hype from both sides, HOWEVER, this "teetering on the edge rhetoric" that has been going on "forever" according to you, is very real to those who live paycheck to paycheck, own small businesses, are unemployed (or under-employed) due to outsourcing, have families & dependents some of whom have health issues, etc.

NOT everyone has the perfect guaranteed job that allows them to post all day OR works for Wall Street, unions, Government, and/or receives a biweekly pension/subsidy checks from a broke Uncle Sugar who has to borrow from the Chinese.
[sarcasm]

JOEPA FOR PRESIDENT!

[quote=jackconrad]JOEPA FOR PRESIDENT OF BOYASS PEDDLERS![/quote]