FuzzNJ
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:21:06 PM
Well, then I guess the stuff I read 4 years ago was wrong. I remembered reading it on several sites and if they are wrong, so be it. There are also pictures of meetings with the Stormfront guys. I guess people made the connection when they saw the ad link to donate to Ron Paul.

I also said that I don't buy the guilt by association things like Obama to Ayers, or Paul is a racist because racists like him, but that "the conservatives here still bring it (Ayers) up so using the same logic". . . . Be consistant. If the Ayers thing means Obama 'pals around with terrorists' as Palin said, then Paul 'pals around with nazis'.

Moore did the following:

"The rabble-rousing Moore had great on-camera fun writing checks for 80 cents ("The first hours wage for a Mexican worker") that he tried—along with a Downsizer of the Year Award – to present to Johnson Products of Milwaukee. He also sent a $100 check for Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign from Abortionists for Buchanan and checks from Satan Worshippers for Dole, Pedophiles for Free Trade (Perot), and Hemp Growers for Clinton – all of which were hilariously cashed."

Now if someone was running on your ticket and they have views that he is 'unaware' of, then that's also a problem don't you think?

"Paul's signature is on the list of delegate candidates that Tennessee election officials used to draw up the ballot, but spokesman Jesse Benton said Wednesday that the campaign was unaware of Williams' views."

FuzzNJ
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:02:31 PM
Born, to show you how frequent the Ayers/Obama connection is made here these are some quotes I found, and found quickly too, showing it. It's like it's just a normal thing here taken as fact.

Now what surprises me is that you didn't say anything about those 'guilt by association' posts at all. Sure, maybe you didn't see them, but I think it more likely that it's fun to attack Fuzz, even though I didn't make accuse Paul of being racist, but racists support him and he doesn't have a problem with it. Most things aren't attacked as being stupid or biased until I do it, then other examples of the same thing are always explained away as totally different.

So your concern has been noted.

Send the political ran the BS story. There's been 84 mainstream media stories about this. That is more than the mainstream media ran in 2 years barack obama was running for president with Bill Ayers and Tony.Rezko

ZRX1200 wrote:

Just 19 more months of smoking the tires in front of the grandstand.

Don't get me wrong now. This is one time I'm grateful he didn't just vote "present" when asked to make a tough decision.

I hope Bill Ayers forgives him.

[-o<

snowwolf777 wrote:

THAT'S fact checking for you Fuzz?

Really?

Factcheck.org...operated by the Annenberg Foundation?

LOLZ!!!!!

I haven't heard the Annenberg Project pop back up since before Barry was President!

You know, the same Annenberg Foundation that Bill Ayers and Barry shared an office at?

Now if Barry is going to swear up and down that he never really knew Ayers...what kind of reality do you think is going to come pouring out of a building like that?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

So true, Stink & DMV.

Funny how the left squeals & gets irritated when you answer them in the own riddlespeak.

They will never understand why folks in the center like myself deride the Courics, Cronkites, Soros as left wing extremists or kooks- take yer pick, amigo. Wouldn't go as far as to call them lunatics unless they take to the streets with bombs a la Obama's pal, Bill Ayers (founder of the Weather Underground) though.

The right has their own babbling millstones but this thread was about Couric as DMV correctly stated above.

bloody spaniard wrote:

Rick,

I applaud your gene pool past, present and future. And I never once questioned your skills. Simply your reasoning (ie: because you sold fuller brushes and vacuums you can detect lies).

But I will say, that despite your unworldly gifts from both vocation and heredity, no one person is infallible.

I bet you believed Clinton when he said he didn't have sexual relations. I bet you believed Obama when he said he'd pull out of Iraq. Or when he said he didn't know about Rev Wrights hatred of whitey. Or when he said that his relationship with the murdering bomber Bill Ayers was not very close despite launching his campaign from his home.

But I digress again.

tailgater wrote:

The mere fact that you're trying to wash yet another unsavory character flaw under the table is really telling.

Bill Ayers

Van Jones

Rev. Wright

The list goes on and on and on, but you'll find a way to excuse the Kenyan King.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Harry Reid? Nancy Pelosi? Jerimiah Wright? Bill Ayers?#-o

OldSchool wrote:

She lacks the Bill Ayers Weather Underground Seal of Approval.

snowwolf777 wrote:

When he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals,

people said it didn't matter.

Bluedevil wrote:

HockeyDad
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:06:49 PM
Was Obama's association with Bill Ayers perhaps a little more involved than this Ron Paul association we're talking about?
borndead1
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:11:59 PM
Fuzz...I did notice the guilt by association posts about Obama, and I didn't buy into it. I'm sure you've noticed in my posts that I don't really identify with the mainstream left OR right....which is why I'm such a big fan of RP. Nobody is fooling themselves about the fact that the dude is a Libertarian. I still remember him running for president on the Libertarian ticket in 1988. My 8th grade Spanish teacher was a big supporter. But Paul quickly figured out that the American voter has been so brainwashed by the "2 party system" that he had to label himself a Republican or a Democrat if he ever wanted to be elected to office.

If your 'guilt by association' posts about Paul were meant to call out the hypocrisy about the same thing being done to Obama regarding Ayers and Wright, you made your point.

FuzzNJ
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:12:04 PM

Was Obama's association with Bill Ayers perhaps a little more involved than this Ron Paul association we're talking about?

HockeyDad wrote:

Both supported each candidate and were at meetings where they both were, Paul even had pics, and I don't remember an Ayers donation but I'm pretty sure Obama wouldn't have taken it considering the attacks being made on him at the time.

So no, not really.

FuzzNJ
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:16:37 PM

Fuzz...I did notice the guilt by association posts about Obama, and I didn't buy into it. I'm sure you've noticed in my posts that I don't really identify with the mainstream left OR right....which is why I'm such a big fan of RP.

borndead1 wrote:

Well there we go then. You are just as partisan by attacking me for one, something I didn't do and two, ignoring it when the tactic is used against someone you don't support.

As a Paul supporter you must be pissed off at the connection, even one as small as you say it is.

Nobody is fooling themselves about the fact that the dude is a Libertarian. I still remember him running for president on the Libertarian ticket in 1988. My 8th grade Spanish teacher was a big supporter. But Paul quickly figured out that the American voter has been so brainwashed by the "2 party system" that he had to label himself a Republican or a Democrat if he ever wanted to be elected to office.

If your 'guilt by association' posts about Paul were meant to call out the hypocrisy about the same thing being done to Obama regarding Ayers and Wright, you made your point.

borndead1 wrote:

And thanks for acknowledging the point. You have proven yourself to be much more honest than everyone else here for just this one thing.

FuzzNJ
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:19:56 PM
Here's an attack from the right against Paul for his 'connections'. A conservative magazine and they got real harsh on Paul.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html 

rfenst
Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:56:59 AM

No. Obama is a NEGATIVE 3. If you multiply that times another negative three you get a positive 9.

So Ron Paul would be 9 times better than Obama.

Hope that clears things up for you.

MACS wrote:

And to think you were complaining about math in another post within the last couple of days. Seems like you got it right here without any difficulty...

DrMaddVibe
Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:26:35 AM
Despite Corky McSnickerdoodles best attempt to derail a thread with smear after smear who running for POTUSA right now do you think is more aligned with:

Restoring personal freedoms?

Reaching across the aisle to get matters resolved?

Restore American pride here and abroad?

Solve the budget mess?

Expose the enemy within that has been killing wealth for centuries?

Sorry, but everyone else is bought and paid for.

Holding your nose while you choose the Newt Romney candidate is what gave us the bad run of leadership that's put us where we are. The rest of the pack is really just trying out for the VP position. I'd consider Santorum but I'm more aligned to Dr. Paul and his beliefs than any johnnie come lately or candidate du jour. I want someone that can get things done like a balanced budget. It's something that millions of Americans have to wrestle with every paycheck. Our current leadership can't even WRITE out one to pass!

So? Who twirls your beeney up on the stage right now.

pdxstogieman
Wednesday, January 4, 2012 8:13:55 PM

Despite Corky McSnickerdoodles best attempt to derail a thread with smear after smear who running for POTUSA right now do you think is more aligned with:

Restoring personal freedoms?

Reaching across the aisle to get matters resolved?

Restore American pride here and abroad?

Solve the budget mess?

Expose the enemy within that has been killing wealth for centuries?

Sorry, but everyone else is bought and paid for.

Holding your nose while you choose the Newt Romney candidate is what gave us the bad run of leadership that's put us where we are. The rest of the pack is really just trying out for the VP position. I'd consider Santorum but I'm more aligned to Dr. Paul and his beliefs than any johnnie come lately or candidate du jour. I want someone that can get things done like a balanced budget. It's something that millions of Americans have to wrestle with every paycheck. Our current leadership can't even WRITE out one to pass!

So? Who twirls your beeney up on the stage right now.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Do you ever post a reply to a post from someone you disagree with that doesn't include name calling and a huge dose of Arthur Fonzarelli witticisms? Or is it just a habit you can't break?

pdxstogieman
Wednesday, January 4, 2012 8:32:24 PM
Oh, and your cut and paste and attribution in the OP aren't in either the bold font or italics that you suggest for people who don't agree with you. The standard of acceptable highlighting of attribution must be different for you though because you have your reasons.

Fuzz makes a valid point. If a Democratic candidate had written racist comments in a newsletter. You'd be pounding on that hard here.

DMV Quote from above thread, "His point is that he hates the principals that founded this nation. He buys the lies that he's a racist because he can't argue with the guy on any intelligent level. Name-calling is all he has". So...is your name calling a supplement to your supremely intelligent discourse and intellectual rebuttals, or a proxy for the lack of them as you suggest is the case with the person you call out for doing that in the referenced quote?

wheelrite
Wednesday, January 4, 2012 8:33:37 PM
Ok,,

Let's be real...

RP is NEVER going to be the nominee,even he knows it...

The only reason he's running now is to sell more Jew Hating Newsletters when he is impeached from Congress...

Sieg Heil RP ,,,

ZRX1200
Wednesday, January 4, 2012 8:44:16 PM
How's Newt doing Bill?
RICKAMAVEN
Thursday, January 5, 2012 10:08:21 AM
much ado about which republican will be the sacrificial lamb that president obama will eat with mint sauce

and a fine chianti after the election

DrMaddVibe
Thursday, January 5, 2012 10:57:59 AM

Ok,,

Let's be real...

RP is NEVER going to be the nominee,even he knows it...

The only reason he's running now is to sell more Jew Hating Newsletters when he is impeached from Congress...

Sieg Heil RP ,,,

wheelrite wrote:

Really?

Dr. Paul has already stated he's not running for Congress again.

Pretty funny you getting all worked up about a guy that wants to restore the Constitution and buy into the lies instead of actually listening to what he says and read his books. If you did you'd understand he's the ONLY guy that has a snowball's chance in Hell of restoring America. You can bitch about his foreign policy stance, but guess what...when you're THE Commander In Chief...your stance is altered no matter what you want to believe.

DrMaddVibe
Thursday, January 5, 2012 10:58:49 AM

much ado about which republican will be the sacrificial lamb that president obama will eat with mint sauce

and a fine chianti after the election

RICKAMAVEN wrote:

So we can put you down as an Owedumba supporter...AGAIN?

borndead1
Thursday, January 5, 2012 7:49:28 PM

Ok,,

Let's be real...

RP is NEVER going to be the nominee,even he knows it...

The only reason he's running now is to sell more Jew Hating Newsletters when he is impeached from Congress...

Sieg Heil RP ,,,

wheelrite wrote:

Wheel, I really hope you're just being cheeky.

When Israel bombed an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, RP was one of the few in congress who refused to condemn them, saying they should be able to defend themselves without our interference.

frankj1
Thursday, January 5, 2012 10:42:19 PM

Wheel, I really hope you're just being cheeky.

When Israel bombed an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, RP was one of the few in congress who refused to condemn them, saying they should be able to defend themselves without our interference.

borndead1 wrote:

RP's stance aside, and I really don't recall tons of US criticism of Israel at the time, I was skewered here a few months ago when calling this preemptive strike a legitimate act of defense by Israel.

However, I have no opinion if Paul's refusal to condemn clears him, though I am also not convinced he is guilty. Very murky waters here and I do not take racism or antisemitiic charges lightly.

I am pleased to learn of his stance in any event.

Stinkdyr
Friday, January 6, 2012 10:46:42 AM

I would bet that Ron Paul, with all his faults and quirks, would be three times the POTUS that Obama has been. Personally, I'm more than willing to take a chance with him. I doubt he could be more harmful to this country than Bush and Obama. Obama keeps digging a hole thinking he's going to dig his way out and it's painfully obvious his tactics really aren't the answer to our problems.

chiefburg wrote:

bingo.

=d>

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