surfish1961
Monday, July 16, 2012 9:58:13 AM
4th President of these United States. Smart man.

'We have staked the whole of all our political Institutions upon the capacity of mankind for Self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to The Ten Commandments of God.'

jackconrad
Monday, July 16, 2012 10:04:03 AM
Goodbye Cruel World..
dstieger
Monday, July 16, 2012 10:22:37 AM

4th President of these United States. Smart man.

'We have staked the whole of all our political Institutions upon the capacity of mankind for Self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to The Ten Commandments of God.'

surfish1961 wrote:

Source? I've never seen that 'quote' validated. It is fairly inconsistent with his writings.

teedubbya
Monday, July 16, 2012 10:54:56 AM

Actually, this statement appears nowhere in the writings or recorded utterances of James Madison and is completely contradictory to his character as a strong proponent of the separation of church and state.

jackconrad
Monday, July 16, 2012 10:57:05 AM
You don't know JACK!
z6joker9
Monday, July 16, 2012 11:02:37 AM

Actually, this statement appears nowhere in the writings or recorded utterances of James Madison and is completely contradictory to his character as a strong proponent of the separation of church and state.

teedubbya wrote:

^^^

surfish1961
Monday, July 16, 2012 11:08:03 AM

Source? I've never seen that 'quote' validated. It is fairly inconsistent with his writings.

dstieger wrote:

http://usbillofrights.org/founding.html 

surfish1961
Monday, July 16, 2012 11:09:25 AM
Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.
bloody spaniard
Monday, July 16, 2012 11:12:19 AM
Wasn't he the one with bad hair played by Anthony Hopkins to defend the revolting African negritos?[gonzo]

:-k

Yes, wise man indeed- not the greatest lawyer in the world but wise man...

z6joker9
Monday, July 16, 2012 11:30:59 AM

http://usbillofrights.org/founding.html

surfish1961 wrote:

Not sure if serious.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp 

dstieger
Monday, July 16, 2012 11:32:56 AM

http://usbillofrights.org/founding.html

surfish1961 wrote:

Thank you! I will sleep better tonight. Glad that the good pastor is so thorough about citing references. Otherwise I might have dismissed some of his other 'work' like suggesting that Obama could become a suicide bomber or that the Koran is demented revelation from demons. I will bow out and bow down to the scholastic Pastor Swank. (One thing I did learn is that Mr. Conrad has a great mentor out there, if he isn't already familiar.)

Brewha
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:38:34 PM

... to sustain ourselves according to The Ten Commandments of God.'

surfish1961 wrote:

Actually this quote is a mistranslation of the original text which read;

“…..to sustain ourselves with The Ten Condiments.”

victor809
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:55:32 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp 

joker's right... this is complete bs Surf. 🙂

teedubbya
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:41:19 PM

http://usbillofrights.org/founding.html

surfish1961 wrote:

dumb dumb dumb dumb (set to a melody)