bluefin9
Friday, October 26, 2012 8:37:09 PM

Any of you have any problems with any batch of cigars that you received dried out or stale tasting? Does this read like a problem with storage, rolling, age of cigars, all of the above or something else? I received a batch of seconds (RP Vintage 90's Churchill) that I've bought before (except those were torpedo size) and they were great, but this batch of 15 was very dried out and tasted stale. The normal taste has a lot of nutty flavor and the cigar is typically oily with a hint of sweet after taste. This latest batch did not match up at all. Any thoughts? After I left them in my humidor for 10 days they weren't so dry but it did nothing for the taste. Have any of you had this experience?

Campage
Friday, October 26, 2012 8:38:57 PM
That's what I hate about cigars. It's a crap shoot. Have one cigar that's life changing. Next time you pitch it halfway thru.

King
Friday, October 26, 2012 8:40:23 PM
That's why you Smoke Padron's you will NEVER smoke a bad one...
shaun341
Friday, October 26, 2012 8:52:50 PM
King is right about padrons imo. I enjoyed everyone one I have had so far. Actually looking to get my hands on some family reserves soon.
bluefin9
Friday, October 26, 2012 9:08:34 PM
Thanks for the heads up on Padron cigars. I will try them.
dpnewell
Friday, October 26, 2012 10:56:00 PM
Put the cigars in your humi for 6 months, and try them again.
Philly Jack
Friday, October 26, 2012 11:59:34 PM

Put the cigars in your humi for 6 months, and try them again.

dpnewell wrote:

Dave knows his stuff listen up rest and revisit

Ilovetosmoke68
Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:45:35 PM

Dave knows his stuff listen up rest and revisit

Philly Jack wrote:

+1

delta1
Sunday, October 28, 2012 4:24:30 PM
Some lines of cigars do vary in taste from size to size. Variations in ring gauge affects the amount of wrapper leaf, which produces most of the cigar's flavor, in proportion to the filler and binder leaves. Of the RP90's, the small corona, the robusto and toro taste the best to me. The larger torp and churchill seemed a little flat in comparison. I also tried the RP90 2nds in the toro size, and they were not close.
KingoftheCove
Sunday, October 28, 2012 8:36:34 PM

Variations in ring gauge affects the amount of wrapper leaf, which produces most of the cigar's flavor, in proportion to the filler and binder leaves.

delta1 wrote:

This is something that has been confounding me....for years.........

Let me say up front, I'm not a geometry wiz..........but

That being said....

If the rolling "technique" stays the same....(for instance, 2 layers of wrapper, 2 layers of binder, and the rest filler).....

well then.....

as the ring gauge gets larger, the actual proportion in the amount of tobaccos used (wrapper, binder, filler) shouldn't change.........

as the ring gauge increases, there is more wrapper needed to cover the cigar, more binder needed, etc.............

That's in theory of course.......

what say you experts?

bdrizzle
Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:00:07 PM
Circumference compared to diameter. More filler less wrapper needed on bigger ring gauges. I think. Maybe. I really don't know what I am saying. It's been a while since pre cal.
Abrignac
Monday, October 29, 2012 12:52:57 PM

Any of you have any problems with any batch of cigars that you received dried out or stale tasting? Does this read like a problem with storage, rolling, age of cigars, all of the above or something else? I received a batch of seconds (RP Vintage 90's Churchill) that I've bought before (except those were torpedo size) and they were great, but this batch of 15 was very dried out and tasted stale. The normal taste has a lot of nutty flavor and the cigar is typically oily with a hint of sweet after taste. This latest batch did not match up at all. Any thoughts? After I left them in my humidor for 10 days they weren't so dry but it did nothing for the taste. Have any of you had this experience?

bluefin9 wrote:

There are all sorts of reasons cigars are sold as seconds. I wouldn't expect any level of consistency in terms of taste, construction, etc. from one batch to the next.

You may have better luck in terms of consistency finding a line of cigars that are normally priced at or near what you are paying for the seconds.

outtatime
Monday, October 29, 2012 10:32:06 PM
if you think of a cigar as a cylinder, its volume "filler" will be pi*r^2*L pi=3.14.... r=radius l=length.

the surface area "wrapper" of this cylinder is 2*pi*r*L

so as the radius "ring gauge" increases, the amount of filler gets squared. which reduces the wrapper to filler ratio... and vice versa for smaller ring gauges

m j toal
Monday, October 29, 2012 10:35:02 PM

That's why you Smoke Padron's you will NEVER smoke a bad one...

King wrote:

+1.......Tats too.

MH[gonzo]

engletl
Monday, October 29, 2012 11:13:56 PM

if you think of a cigar as a cylinder, its volume "filler" will be pi*r^2*L pi=3.14.... r=radius l=length.

the surface area "wrapper" of this cylinder is 2*pi*r*L

so as the radius "ring gauge" increases, the amount of filler gets squared. which reduces the wrapper to filler ratio... and vice versa for smaller ring gauges

outtatime wrote:

And this is why so many blends start as a corona sized vitola