leftyposthole
Friday, January 18, 2013 11:19:49 AM
For you FOGS who lived thru the last boom, was there a noticeable decline in the quality of construction on your smokes. Tunneling, canoeing, draw problems, or even plugged. My perception has been a decline in the quality of consruction of late.

There are many factors that could play into this. Delta touched on this a little the other night. Curious if anyone else has noticed this.

For all you comedians, I know, internet cigars, smoke better stuff etc. but I have noticed this across the board with most brands.

Lefty

opelmanta1900
Friday, January 18, 2013 12:22:45 PM
Smoke cheaper cigars... at least then the poor quality won't surprise you...
Joewoowoo
Friday, January 18, 2013 12:45:47 PM
What do you keep your humidity at and how long do you let your sticks rest before you actually smoke them?
opelmanta1900
Friday, January 18, 2013 12:54:51 PM
Lefty's been smoking long enough I sincerely doubt he's having humidity or resting issues... I think he's just discovering what many others are... Cigars aren't what they used to be... I don't speak from experience... it's just what I've heard from a lot of different old-timers...
leftyposthole
Friday, January 18, 2013 1:11:46 PM
I think the flavor and quality of tobacco is as good or better than its ever been. So I don't know if they are rushing the process to keep up with demand, in some cases the big boys are gobbling up the little guys and I'm sure that effects quality. The attitude changes from quality family owned business to lets make as much money as we can. You can't convince me that when a company sells a cigar that normally sells for 8 to 10 bucks for 2 or 3 that something isn't diff. The blend changes or it does not pass final QC.
Campage
Friday, January 18, 2013 1:15:09 PM
I'm almost in my 30's but my body is in its 90's.

So... Does that make me a FOG???

I must know.

leftyposthole
Friday, January 18, 2013 1:26:55 PM
Only you can answer that. I will say this however most fogs ain't mooches..............................lol
madspackler
Friday, January 18, 2013 1:43:20 PM
During the cigar boom in the 90's, some manufacturer's were doing everything they could to get the sticks out the door as fast as they could. The quality manufacturer's could sit back, maintain production levels and raise prices according to demand. There were many new products on the market. Some good, many not so good. There were a lot of brands that came on the market and were gone before you could smoke through a box. As more new rollers joined the ranks, it was not unusual to have a plugged cigar or two out of a single box, especially in a lower end or new brand.

Even with the best of cigars, there is always a possibility of a cigar having a difficult draw. With a plugged cigar, it is possibly the roller's issue, packing too tightly or inconsistently, or using ends/stems that should have been removed prior to rolling. There is no third-party real quality control measure to employ short of snipping off the end and lighting one up. The better quality and aged cigars usually smoke better, but no absolute guarantees.

After all - they are still hand made products by people like us - imperfect humans.If you want a perfect draw each and every time, go back to a machine rolled and pre-punched model.

nolen
Friday, January 18, 2013 1:51:12 PM

I think the flavor and quality of tobacco is as good or better than its ever been. So I don't know if they are rushing the process to keep up with demand, in some cases the big boys are gobbling up the little guys and I'm sure that effects quality. The attitude changes from quality family owned business to lets make as much money as we can. You can't convince me that when a company sells a cigar that normally sells for 8 to 10 bucks for 2 or 3 that something isn't diff. The blend changes or it does not pass final QC.

leftyposthole wrote:

I agree with what has been said. I think the quality of cigars is the best it's ever been across the board. The smaller companies (ie.Kristoff, Tat, AB, Illusione) are really insisting on it from their manufacturers and I think that's keeping the standards up. Even the bigger companies have looked at the landscape and are righting the course of their ships. Like madspackler said, in the '90's they could get away with lowering the quality because the demand was so high and the supplies were so low. General Cigars, imo, has in the past put quantity over quality during the booms but they seem to be avoiding that during this boom. Back in 1993,4,5 they threw quality to the wind, again imo, and went full-bore to meet the demand.

In 1990, prior to the first boom, Punch, Hoyo de Monterrey, and Partagás (all General Cigars) ruled the day and were truly amazing smokes. I don't know if I'm just nostalgic about those days or what, but I don't think any of those brands have ever been as good as they were back then. At that time we couldn't get much more than those three plus Cohiba, AF and Macanudo. Romeo and Juliet blew our minds when we could finally get a hold of them. We all fried a gasket the first La Gloria we had, it was an amazing smoke and there was a tremendous amount of excitement around that cigar in particular. Except for the La Gloria, I don’t think any of those early cigars are what they used to be.

I love all of the boutiques out these days… they are putting out some great blends with a lot of attention to the quality of construction. I agree with you lefty,when some of the smaller guys get bought up by the big guys, the quality has noticeably gone down… CAO is an example of that imo and it’s sad.

Campage
Friday, January 18, 2013 2:13:26 PM
I'm a pioneer! I'll be the first hard core fog mooch.

Your a fog and I've started grooming you for the way of the mooch. So anything is possible my creaky jointed friend.

PDQ
  • PDQ
  • Connoisseur
Friday, January 18, 2013 2:49:08 PM
Some of the worst quality cigars I've smoked were also the highest priced ones.

These days, I just pick the cigars I enjoy, and quality hasn't changed much. Occasionally, you pick one with a hard draw, or the band glued to the wrapper, but that is just tough luck, as I find it happens with all brands.

Joewoowoo
Friday, January 18, 2013 3:03:18 PM

Lefty's been smoking long enough I sincerely doubt he's having humidity or resting issues... I think he's just discovering what many others are... Cigars aren't what they used to be... I don't speak from experience... it's just what I've heard from a lot of different old-timers...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

Just because someone has been smoking cigars a long time doesnt mean that they can get advice from this forum. I to was haveing these types of issues. I asked OP because i lowered my Humidity level to 65-67 from 70-72 and all my smoking issues have dissapeared. I havent had to relight, touch-up. no canoeing, no tunneling since Ive made this change. I also rest my new smokes a minimum of 6 weeks before lighting them up. My smokes are smoking perfect and have been for hte past 5 months. I did recently have a humidity spike but that doenst have anything to do with the original question. There is never any harm to ask and listen, listen and learn from others, this is what makes this place so fun.

Jp

leftyposthole
Friday, January 18, 2013 3:06:29 PM
Just so everyone knows. I like the humidity on my smokes low, it generally runs 60 to 65 percent
Abrignac
Friday, January 18, 2013 3:08:45 PM

I'm a pioneer! I'll be the first hard core fog mooch.

Campage wrote:

Camp, I served with FOG, I knew FOG. FOG was a friend of mine. Camp, you're no FOG.

opelmanta1900
Friday, January 18, 2013 3:25:37 PM

Just so everyone knows. I like the humidity on my smokes low, it generally runs 60 to 65 percent

leftyposthole wrote:

But... but... everywhere online says to keep it at 70!? 🤔

DrMaddVibe
Friday, January 18, 2013 3:26:20 PM

I agree with you lefty,when some of the smaller guys get bought up by the big guys, the quality has noticeably gone down… CAO is an example of that imo and it’s sad.

nolen wrote:

Sorry, but CAO was sliding down Idontgiveafuck Mountain a L-O-N-G time before they were bought out.

If anything it might've enabled some cigar n00bs to their brand, but the damage was already done.

I'd NEVER buy another box of their stuff much less a single cigar they make. The quality slid that far down.

Where's their rep that logged on here last year? That was a funny thread...wanted feedback and when it was all negative never came back!

[frypan] [frypan] [frypan]

leftyposthole
Friday, January 18, 2013 3:33:11 PM
If I remember right he was bragging about the OSA, funny stuff
nolen
Friday, January 18, 2013 4:02:18 PM
CAO is a train-wreck... unfortunately (in terms of a significant portion of consumer perception).
dpnewell
Friday, January 18, 2013 4:07:00 PM
No Dave, very few problems. I did have a plugged smoke last night, but that was my first in months. But then again, everyone knows I smoke crap, so maybe that's the secret, lol.
leftyposthole
Friday, January 18, 2013 4:43:07 PM
I'm too dang old to smoke crap, Its one of the few pleasures I have left. When I go I wanna have a smile on my face.