I don't expect I'll get much of a response to this, but here goes, What are they like if you have tried them?

I know the EPC Short Run Vintage sticks CI/CB is selling now are fugging dog loafs! I'd imagine they're seconds or just too crappy for EPC to release on his own without CI's marketing prowess.

^ corona gorda ain't bad

Seconds? After the "first" I had the other day and suffered through you must really be adventurous to try those that didn't live up to that lofty standard.

Too bad! I will try them and take a chance

Have not had any EPC seconds......

But, I like all the EPCs I have tried and purchased thus far........they get really good after a year or so.........

I have tried the regular line of EPC's and liked them but there are so many styles. Just won some Gordo 2nds which seem to be the nub series. I wouldn't think Carillo makes a bad smoke. But we"ll see!