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Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:08:00 AM
details forthcoming...
rodnie
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:25:00 AM
Yipee!!!!!! WooooHoooo!!!!!!! I hope he's Honduran!
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Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:44:00 AM
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger is the new Pope.
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Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:45:00 AM
now Benedict XVI
Liz62803
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:16:00 AM
oops RDC didn't see this post before I did mine - my bad - SORRY!!! As I said in my post - just curious what kind of personality and the like he has, being non Catholic I have no idea so I thought the Catholics on the board could give me a clue. Thanks.
rodnie
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:47:00 AM
What kind of personality? hhmmm, how do I say this. First, He was my choice. He is very faithful and fully dedicated to spreading the gospel. The best way I can put his personality is that he is very humble. He is not as charismatic as John Paul II, but humble nonetheless.

I think he makes a good Pope because of his German background. He has already established significant relationship with the Lutheran Church. He should also continue unity with all groups like JPII did. So lets see how this unfolds. As a catholic I couldn't be happier.

God Bless!

bloody spaniard
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:44:00 AM
Sorry rodnie, but IMO this 78 yr. old pope is a rigid BUREAUCRAT.

Heaven help us.

MACS
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:56:00 AM
I am not catholic, but I somehow view the way Catholics treat the pope as idolatry.

What makes that man any better than the rest of us? And why on Earth would anyone want to kiss his ring? Why would a blessing from him be any more valuable than a blessing from me?

Just some questions I have... I was taught we are all EQUAL in the eyes of God, and that idolatry is a sin.

Is this not idolatry?

Thom
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:06:00 AM
MACS- Good questions and reasons why I like to call myself, as I'm finding there are a lot of us out there, a recovering catholic.
rodnie
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:44:00 AM
Hey BLoody Spaniard, no offense taken. I hope that his work will be recognized as God's work and that he is only being faithful. It is chartiy to point out faults in actions and that's his job. Or better yet his job is to lead us to Christ.

Macsw, I don't know if you're Christian or not, but if you are do you see the difference between Abrham and yourself? David and yourself? Jesus and yourself? Peter and yourself? Your Father and yourself? You are very special in the eyes of God, we all are, but he does choose certain fathers of faith to guide us in a special way and that lies great in the heart of many. The term Pope means papa and we esteem our papa very much.

MACS
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:51:00 AM
Jesus - Yes. He is the son of God. Abraham, David, Peter and my Father... no. They are (were) men, just like me. They have faults, just like me. They sin(ned), just like me.

I understand the need for 'ranks' in the military. Basically, the pope is the highest 'ranking' Catholic. I see no need for ranks in religion.

Just my opinion. I am not trying to criticize Catholic's in general, just voicing my opinion.

I respect your right to choose to be Catholic.

nfldraftman
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:53:00 AM
To further clarify this MACS, Jesus called Peter the rock on which his church would be founded. Peter settled in Rome and so the church in Rome is said to have been, in essence, the church directly tied to him (St. Peter's Basilica). So as head of the church in Rome the Pope is considered a direct line back to Peter, who was given the task of being head of Jesus' church on this earth. I simplified that obviously and there is 2000 years of twists and turns, but that's it in a nutshell, as best as I can give it.
TrannyMk
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:04:00 PM

MACS...

Would you have saluted GWB the day before he was Pres GWB? No. Why do you salute him now? I think it's the same analogy. It's the position, more than it is the man. Although I'm sure you must have quite a resume & respect from your fellow Cardinals. God is going to work his deeds through this man. He is still just a man though...

DrMaddVibe
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:24:00 PM
pril 17, 2005

Papal hopeful is a former Hitler Youth

Justin Sparks, Munich, John Follain and Christopher Morgan, Rome

THE wartime past of a leading German contender to succeed John Paul II may return to haunt him as cardinals begin voting in the Sistine Chapel tomorrow to choose a new leader for 1 billion Catholics.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, whose strong defence of Catholic orthodoxy has earned him a variety of sobriquets — including “the enforcer”, “the panzer cardinal” and “God’s rottweiler” — is expected to poll around 40 votes in the first ballot as conservatives rally behind him.

Although far short of the requisite two-thirds majority of the 115 votes, this would almost certainly give Ratzinger, 78 yesterday, an early lead in the voting. Liberals have yet to settle on a rival candidate who could come close to his tally.

Unknown to many members of the church, however, Ratzinger’s past includes brief membership of the Hitler Youth movement and wartime service with a German army anti- aircraft unit.

Although there is no suggestion that he was involved in any atrocities, his service may be contrasted by opponents with the attitude of John Paul II, who took part in anti-Nazi theatre performances in his native Poland and in 1986 became the first pope to visit Rome’s synagogue.

“John Paul was hugely appreciated for what he did for and with the Jewish people,” said Lord Janner, head of the Holocaust Education Trust, who is due to attend ceremonies today to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.

“If they were to appoint someone who was on the other side in the war, he would start at a disadvantage, although it wouldn’t mean in the long run he wouldn’t be equally understanding of the concerns of the Jewish world.”

The son of a rural Bavarian police officer, Ratzinger was six when Hitler came to power in 1933. His father, also called Joseph, was an anti-Nazi whose attempts to rein in Hitler’s Brown Shirts forced the family to move home several times.

In 1937 Ratzinger’s father retired and the family moved to Traunstein, a staunchly Catholic town in Bavaria close to the Führer’s mountain retreat in Berchtesgaden. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941.

He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. “Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one,” concluded John Allen, his biographer.

Two years later Ratzinger was enrolled in an anti-aircraft unit that protected a BMW factory making aircraft engines. The workforce included slaves from Dachau concentration camp.

Ratzinger has insisted he never took part in combat or fired a shot — adding that his gun was not even loaded — because of a badly infected finger. He was sent to Hungary, where he set up tank traps and saw Jews being herded to death camps. He deserted in April 1944 and spent a few weeks in a prisoner of war camp.

He has since said that although he was opposed to the Nazi regime, any open resistance would have been futile — comments echoed this weekend by his elder brother Georg, a retired priest ordained along with the cardinal in 1951.

“Resistance was truly impossible,” Georg Ratzinger said. “Before we were conscripted, one of our teachers said we should fight and become heroic Nazis and another told us not to worry as only one soldier in a thousand was killed. But neither of us ever used a rifle against the enemy.”

Some locals in Traunstein, like Elizabeth Lohner, 84, whose brother-in-law was sent to Dachau as a conscientious objector, dismiss such suggestions. “It was possible to resist, and those people set an example for others,” she said. “The Ratzingers were young and had made a different choice.”

In 1937 another family a few hundred yards away in Traunstein hid Hans Braxenthaler, a local resistance fighter. SS troops repeatedly searched homes in the area looking for the fugitive and his fellow conspirators.

“When he was betrayed and the Nazis came for him, Braxenthaler shot himself because he knew he couldn’t escape,” said Frieda Meyer, 82, Ratzinger’s neighbour and childhood friend. “Even though they had tortured him in Dachau concentration camp he refused to give up his resistance efforts.”

Despite question marks over Ratzinger’s wartime conduct, the main obstacle to his prospects in the conclave — the assembly of cardinals to elect the new pope — is the conservative stance he has adopted as guardian of Catholic orthodoxy since John Paul named him to head the congregation for the doctrine of the faith in 1981.

His condemnations are legion — of women priests, married priests, dissident theologians and homosexuals, whom he has declared to be suffering from an “objective disorder”.

He upset many Jews with a statement in 1987 that Jewish history and scripture reach fulfilment only in Christ — a position denounced by critics as “theological anti-semitism”. He made more enemies among other religions in 2000, when he signed a document, Dominus Jesus, in which he argued: “Only in the Catholic church is there eternal salvation”.

Some of his staunchest critics are in Germany. A recent poll in Der Spiegel, the news magazine, showed opponents of a Ratzinger papacy outnumbered supporters by 36% to 29%.

As one western cardinal who was in two minds about him put it: “He would probably be a great pope, but I have no idea how I would explain his election back home.”

One liberal theologian,when asked what he thought of a Ratzinger papacy, was more direct: “It fills me with horror.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1572667,00.html 

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Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:42:00 PM
VERY interesting
TrannyMk
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:09:00 PM
I dont know much about this new Pope, but it was said in the news that he had no choice about being a 'Hitler Youth' it was mandatory. His Parents were not members of the Nazi party either...
bloody spaniard
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:42:00 PM
Well if he terrorizes liberals, he can't be all bad. LOL

My problem with him is that he's labeled Vasula Ryden as an apostate.

He's also very rigid about finding a common ground between Catholicism and other Christian denominations- many of which think are as inflexible as he is.

Is his particular interpretation of Catholicism the only way to Heaven?

I think not and I'm a conservative Roman Catholic.

Charlie
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:45:00 PM
Don't know him or much about him, but like Blood said, "if he terrorizes liberals, more power to him"!

Charlie

bloody spaniard
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:14:00 PM
You know, Charlie, I wish that I could edit my posts after I read 'em- always an extra word or missing something...

Ehh, at least most of the thought is there. LOL!

8trackdisco
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:04:00 PM
Ratzinger is the new Pope? I loved him on "Cheers". He really knew his Florida trivia.

Good luck Holy Father, the church needs some help.