collectorchris
11 years ago
I am curious about the way a typical box pass is done here on the forum. Does the initiator normally start with a new box of a certain brand of smoke or do you guys do a mixed box and list what is in the initial send? I know the "gives" and "takes" are listed on the forum as it makes its way around as I have been watching the "Premium Box Pass" thread currently listed.
ZRX1200
11 years ago
The rule around here is, if Kombat96 is involved the cigars will be stolen.
ZRX1200
11 years ago
But he's a douchnozzle dink.
bassman45
11 years ago

The rule around here is, if Kombat96 is involved the cigars will be stolen.

ZRX1200 wrote:


Lmao!
stinger88
11 years ago
Usually it is a box with a mix. The one that is going on had about 20 hard to find or super premium cigars in it along with some cc's. By the end, it will be mostly changed from when it starts. I am going to guess that one or two will survive the whole pass. I dove pretty deep in the humi and pulled out some of my rarest. It is pretty fun watching the progression. The only scare factor is the box getting lost. You can image losing 25-35 high end cigars. It would be heart breaking. That is why there is usually some criteria on who will be allowed to participate in it. It doesn't mean that you are not liked if you don't get in it. It just means that there might not be enough history with the person. There have been some lost passes in the past. Not a good thing.


David
collectorchris
11 years ago

Usually it is a box with a mix. The one that is going on had about 20 hard to find or super premium cigars in it along with some cc's. By the end, it will be mostly changed from when it starts. I am going to guess that one or two will survive the whole pass. I dove pretty deep in the humi and pulled out some of my rarest. It is pretty fun watching the progression. The only scare factor is the box getting lost. You can image losing 25-35 high end cigars. It would be heart breaking. That is why there is usually some criteria on who will be allowed to participate in it. It doesn't mean that you are not liked if you don't get in it. It just means that there might not be enough history with the person. There have been some lost passes in the past. Not a good thing.


David

stinger88 wrote:



Thanks Stinger. I have followed the thread for the one you currently have going with interest. I think it is a great concept with a high potential "reward" for all participants to get to try some different and unique things. On the flip side I get minimizing the risk by including known established members only. I would also be very hesitant to rely on the successful shipment via USPS 10-20+ times without loss or damage. How many participants is a box pass normally limited to?
ZRX1200
11 years ago
10 is a good number.

Blind passes are fun (bands removed), beer passes are fun, fiver passes are fun, premium passes are stressful.
collectorchris
11 years ago
I would imagine the blind or 5'ers could really be fun.

The whole premium pass thing would be stressful yet fun, but also very open to interpretation of a premium wouldn't it? Unless a minimum value per takes/put was established. I only bring that up, because what I or someone else consider a premium may be more or less. Would suck to send out a bunch of $10 -$25 sticks and get dog rockets returned. Though I do see that takes and puts on Stingers thread are posted and approved before it moves on, so I assume that is the normal practice.
stinger88
11 years ago
This one is a little bigger than usual. 10-12 is a good number.
Abrignac
11 years ago

I would imagine the blind or 5'ers could really be fun.

The whole premium pass thing would be stressful yet fun, but also very open to interpretation of a premium wouldn't it? Unless a minimum value per takes/put was established. I only bring that up, because what I or someone else consider a premium may be more or less. Would suck to send out a bunch of $10 -$25 sticks and get dog rockets returned. Though I do see that takes and puts on Stingers thread are posted and approved before it moves on, so I assume that is the normal practice.

collectorchris wrote:



Hence the reason for careful selection of the participants. In the past, some participants would take high dollar smokes and replace them with cigars of lessor quality. Most of them are no longer active in the forums.

The folks in this pass all know the difference. Most have traded with each other before.

The reason for posting takes/puts is to give the participants the opportunity to reject one's trades if not up to par.

This one was originally supposed to be capped at 10, but was enlarged to make room for a few good friends. I backed off and let Stinger be the host so everyone would have the opportunity to send him a few extra smokes. Stinger just came back from serving his country in the sandbox.
collectorchris
11 years ago

I backed off and let Stinger be the host so everyone would have the opportunity to send him a few extra smokes. Stinger just came back from serving his country in the sandbox.

Abrignac wrote:



Thanks for your service Stinger and all other members who serve/served!
delta1
11 years ago
Hmmmmm....we haven't had an all-lanceros box-pass...

Wonder if the wombat (Kombat96) our resident box-pass organizer, is up for another?


BTW: collectorchris, there are other opportunities beside a box-pass to exchange and try different cigars with the members here. You can do straight trades by posting a want (ISO), or by sending a trade proposal via PM to someone who appears to have a variety of stuff you would like to try. You'll have to send first, being new, and may have to go shopping to get something your trading partner wants to try.

You can also jump in on the Noob PIB thread, the non-elitist PIB thread or the PIB 2012 v3. PIB's require you to send a few wanted cigars to a member first, then someone else will respond to your wants list and so on...

By doing this you can establish a reputation for reliability here and may be included in box-pass participant lists.

At one time, there were a few PIF (pass it forward) active each year here. In a PIF some one offers up a "fiver" of good smokes, someone takes them, and then offers up his fiver and so on, until 10 or so players have sent cigars, with the last fiver going to the originator.
collectorchris
11 years ago
Thank you for the information delta1. I have started participating in the nOObtrade thread and completed a send to be on deck in that one. I look forward to getting to know folks here. I dont know if any of you are MILSURP collectors, but I am also well established on the CMP forums under the same username. There is nothing better than high powered vintage rifles and good sticks to make for a fun filled day!
frankj1
11 years ago

Thank you for the information delta1. I have started participating in the nOObtrade thread and completed a send to be on deck in that one. I look forward to getting to know folks here. I dont know if any of you are MILSURP collectors, but I am also well established on the CMP forums under the same username. There is nothing better than high powered vintage rifles and good sticks to make for a fun filled day!

collectorchris wrote:


just add alcohol...













j/k
dstieger
11 years ago
CC,
Something to keep in mind...or not....

I have looked askance at (and backed out of) passes that appear to have been initialized with the intent of the originator of trying to reap a windfall at conclusion. Most (all?) passers put more cigars in than just the sanctioned 'puts'. There have been more than a couple passes that I felt were begun by someone mostly hoping to receive many more, much better cigars than they sent out. I am in NO WAY suggesting you could be of that variety - I know nothing at all about you and I'm sure your intentions are good. But, I have a LOT of respect for those passes that:
-include an OPTIONAL troop bag -- participants may donate (anonymously or not) to a bag that gets sent to OPFtH (or other troop support activity) upon conclusion
-originator (or the group as a whole) strictly controls puts/takes -- I detest authority in real life -- but something with so much subjectivity (and emotion) demands control
-originator pledges to donate any number of cigars that exceeds the starting number to OPFtH

Again, not an accusation of any sort. Passes can be fun and I, too, have tipped good servers.....just not those that have their hand out before I've even gotten my entree
namadio
11 years ago
Wait I can use a box pass to trade **** smokes for good ones?
stinger88
11 years ago
Dstieger makes some great points. (I definitely wasn't trying to drum up cigars post deployment. I have more cigars than my wife will ever let me smoke 😜). After being on here for awhile, you will start to get a vibe about a person. Usually it is accurate.

And namadio, you probably don't have any **** cigars anyway.
collectorchris
11 years ago

CC,
Something to keep in mind...or not....

I have looked askance at (and backed out of) passes that appear to have been initialized with the intent of the originator of trying to reap a windfall at conclusion. Most (all?) passers put more cigars in than just the sanctioned 'puts'. There have been more than a couple passes that I felt were begun by someone mostly hoping to receive many more, much better cigars than they sent out. I am in NO WAY suggesting you could be of that variety - I know nothing at all about you and I'm sure your intentions are good. But, I have a LOT of respect for those passes that:
-include an OPTIONAL troop bag -- participants may donate (anonymously or not) to a bag that gets sent to OPFtH (or other troop support activity) upon conclusion
-originator (or the group as a whole) strictly controls puts/takes -- I detest authority in real life -- but something with so much subjectivity (and emotion) demands control
-originator pledges to donate any number of cigars that exceeds the starting number to OPFtH

Again, not an accusation of any sort. Passes can be fun and I, too, have tipped good servers.....just not those that have their hand out before I've even gotten my entree

dstieger wrote:



Thanks for the information, this is very good for future knowledge. I have no intention of attempting to start a box pass, it just looked like a great concept that I wanted to explore more for future reference and possible participation. Like many of you, I to have more sticks than I could possibly need over a very long period of time, mostly premiums I have picked up as a 5'er or less at a time very recently. What I find interesting about the box pass is the possibility to try something I have never heard of or seen in my area, that if another passer has (established member of course) it probably has some nice age on it and is pretty good to try. I guess very similar to a 5'er or less type trade between individuals for participants.

So, I am certainly not trying to send the wrong impression, I am just really interested in how you guys handle and set parameters for my own (or other noobs) learning purposes. It is one thing to watch one in threads, it is a totally different thing to understand the in's and outs or dynamics of all the participants expectation from each other. These sound like fun, but it is hard to enjoy something if you don't totally understand it.

Again, thanks to all for filling in the gaps, I learned alot from your information.
stinger88
11 years ago
Every box pass I have been a part of, I have been able to get a couple sticks I haven't had before. Plus, it is a good way to get to know some of the folks better.
gummy jones
11 years ago

Thanks for the information, this is very good for future knowledge. I have no intention of attempting to start a box pass, it just looked like a great concept that I wanted to explore more for future reference and possible participation. Like many of you, I to have more sticks than I could possibly need over a few very long period of time, mostly premiums I have picked up as a 5'er or less at a time. What I find interesting about the box pass is the possibility to try something I have never heard of or seen in my area, that if another passer has (established member of course) it probably has some nice age on it and is pretty good to try. I guess very similar to a 5'er or less type trade between individuals for participants.

So, I am certainly not trying to send the wrong impression, I am just really interested in how you guys handle and set parameters for my own (or other noobs) learning purposes. It is one thing to watch one in threads, it is a totally different thing to understand the in's and outs or dynamics of all the participants expectation from each other. These sound like fun, but it is hard to enjoy something if you don't totally understand it.

Again, thanks to all for filling in the gaps, I learned alot from your information.

collectorchris wrote:



could maybe start with something like a "hidden gems" pass of some things at lower price points that people really enjoy. a good way to try new things without buying a whole fiver.

...just a thought.
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