JGKAMIN
Sunday, January 24, 2016 4:02:33 PM

The legal limit is too low, period.

When people are pulled over, not involved in accidents, but pulled over, and they are found to be four or five times over the legal limit, it tells you the threshold is too low.

not a popular stance I'm sure.

8trackdisco wrote:

Really? Four or five times the limit and pulled over but not in an accident? So a BAC of .32 to .40 has somebody driving but not in an accident? Somebody would have alcohol poisoning and/or even falling down stupid drunk at that level and not politely pulling over w/o an accident.

This moron has a problem, no doubt, but he should stay home and not get behind the wheel and play Russian roulette with innocent strangers lives. That he got busted ten times and probably got away with it dozens of other times, and did not kill somebody is a miracle.

teedubbya
Sunday, January 24, 2016 4:16:44 PM
Otis should have gotten ol sparky.
Gene363
Sunday, January 24, 2016 4:58:59 PM

I do not know. Here in Florida refusing a breath test leads to long-term license suspension. And, even if you beat the charge, you don't get your license back. I like strict impaired driving laws. There is no excuse for impaired driving. It is always 100% preventable. Time to get offf my soap box...

rfenst wrote:

Absolutely correct. It's so simple, don't drink and drive, ever. I have zero sympathy for anyone getting a DUI.

Other driver and pedestrian lives matter more than the life of an impaired driver.

frankj1
Sunday, January 24, 2016 7:16:59 PM

I'm sorry for your friend. It took me multiple times to quit cigarettes.

He belongs in jail for putting others in danger but until your last breath it is possible for folks to change. I hope he does. There are obviously personal demons he must deal with. I hope he does.

teedubbya wrote:

I agree with this sentiment as well. I am not especially religious yet also believe and try to practice patience and forgiveness...maybe part of Hebrew school stuck!?

It is never too late to change, but it should have become too late to avoid jail 7 or 8 convictions ago. Some poor folks have to hit absolute bottom before change becomes the answer. I've seen this up close. And maybe it would have been a blessing had he been jailed a decade ago.

No one known has been maimed or killed by this individual, but not due to any effort on his part...yet. Hopefully he will be released as a complete and healthier person some day.

Gene363
Sunday, January 24, 2016 8:15:18 PM

I agree with this sentiment as well. I am not especially religious yet also believe and try to practice patience and forgiveness...maybe part of Hebrew school stuck!?

It is never too late to change, but it should have become too late to avoid jail 7 or 8 convictions ago. Some poor folks have to hit absolute bottom before change becomes the answer. I've seen this up close. And maybe it would have been a blessing had he been jailed a decade ago.

No one known has been maimed or killed by this individual, but not due to any effort on his part...yet. Hopefully he will be released as a complete and healthier person some day.

frankj1 wrote:

I spite of having alcoholism and addictive family members and friends I always hope and pray for that day of epiphany when they quit. It is wonderful and anyone that quits has my undying admiration. OTOH, for those that have not reached that point, it doesn't require killing someone to come to your senses about drinking and driving. How many freeby crashes/cripplings/murders is society obligated to suffer until they lose patience and throw the drunk into jail?

teedubbya
Sunday, January 24, 2016 8:20:00 PM
I think everyone said he belongs in jail. Now I pray he recovers. The two need not be mutually exclusive.
DrafterX
Sunday, January 24, 2016 8:28:23 PM
he'll prolly be making booze in jail... 😟
Buckwheat
Sunday, January 24, 2016 8:37:25 PM
I'm sure his dance card will be full every night. Hopefully he will dry out. 🍺
8trackdisco
Sunday, January 24, 2016 9:21:08 PM

Really? Four or five times the limit and pulled over but not in an accident? So a BAC of .32 to .40 has somebody driving but not in an accident? Somebody would have alcohol poisoning and/or even falling down stupid drunk at that level and not politely pulling over w/o an accident.

This moron has a problem, no doubt, but he should stay home and not get behind the wheel and play Russian roulette with innocent strangers lives. That he got busted ten times and probably got away with it dozens of other times, and did not kill somebody is a miracle.

JGKAMIN wrote:

Why not just make it .01 as a drunk threashhold? Zero tolerance.

Same for any defect in vision- take someone's license away.

Make speed limits 1 mph. If you are going 2 mph, Licensse pulled. Second speeding ticket, banned for life.

-No more drunk driving.

-No more speeding problems.

-No more high speed accidents.

The point I'm making, is if someone can walk to their car, get the key in the ignition, and make it almost all the way home without an accident, they certainly aren't drunk x 5 five times. Most DWI tickets arise from relatively mild traffic offenses.

-Changing lanes without a directional.

-Weaving.

-Speeding.

-Old tags.

-A head or tail lights out.

From that, the scent of alcohol causes the chain of soberity excersizes that many of us here couldn't do sober.

DrafterX
Sunday, January 24, 2016 9:36:29 PM
A DUI is the one crime that can take the average tax paying, law abiding citizen down... and I'm not talking about the dude thats caught on the road after midnight after a night at da bar... having a few beers at dinner or going to watch the game somewhere can do it... 😟

not defending the idiot that got 10 tho.. 😟

8trackdisco
Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:05:28 PM
It is to the point now that three drinks can make you legally (not literally) drunk.

That is the disconnect I see.

This 10 time loser? He's 7 behind the Wisconsin champion which has tallied 17. He's finally in jail.

teedubbya
Monday, January 25, 2016 8:36:45 AM
I agree 8. The move to .08 was a classic money making power grab and an governmental avenue in to people's lives built on the facade of safety and doing the right thing. Even the mechanism for forcing it on the states was bunk, yet folks embraced it because it was wrapped in fighting the evil of drunk driving. It's funny how people pick and choose on things like this depending what flag it's wrapped in.

I've never had one and don't ever plan to. I have seen people like my bil that need to have dl taken away. I've also seen a buddy with modest means pretty much bankrupted after having pizza and a couple beers with me and getting pulled over in a speed trap. Barely over .08 definitely under .1 and will likely never recover financially given his income and what this is doing to his job potential. The government did a number on him. He should have waited for a blood test and likely would have passed it but still would have no license. He took the breathalyzer and is screwed. Too bad he doesn't have the income to mitigate it.

And because the cause (anti drunk driving) is so noble to speak out about such things is sacralidge. Beware of issues that become so holy. They often justify an extreme that normally wouldn't be accepted. They also generally kill any legitimate debate or discussion because one side can wrap the self in the evil of the act and avoid any logical discussion. Anyone that doesn't want bac lowered to .000002 just hasn't experienced the true evil of drunk driving and is a voice to be marginalized and discounted. Drunk driving kills innocent children you know.

teedubbya
Monday, January 25, 2016 8:42:30 AM
There are some trying to use the same tactics with guns.
teedubbya
Monday, January 25, 2016 8:53:29 AM
Wow. You learn something new every day. .08 seems to actually be high compared to the rest of the world.
DrafterX
Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:00:23 AM
sounds like the rest of the world are light-weights... 😟
8trackdisco
Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:28:16 PM

sounds like the rest of the world are light-weights... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

Chewing kat is better for you.