tailgater
8 years ago

Wow! I want to tell you to GFY, but I like you.

You just described me as a, shrugging, irresponsible, inadequate racist!

It's like you could see me!

Ok, so, any beliefs I have have evolved in me in my 67 years and I could be wrong here, I mean who can really see themselves clearly, i didn't really choose.
I read. Observed. Tried to remain open-minded, researched. Like most people I guess?
But I even watch Fox!

Not out of vanity, but because I want what i can justifiably/verifiably call the truth. Not to parade it around but for reasons unknown to me.
Is it not true that we are all more comfortable around people that share our religion, skin color or ethnicity? To some extent?
Now is where you ponce. Pick away.

It's nature at work. That's why we are all on this continuum of comfortable-racist.
Watch much nature tv?

Yes. Most people harbor prejudices and biases against people of different ethnicities etc
TO ONE EXTENT OR ANOTHER...



Maybe you're above the fray. Or disingenuous? Even with yourself....

Or maybe, maybe, you're special!
Hold on, Michael Jordan is at the door!!

Know what? GFY....Hadda get that in...you understand...




HuckFinn wrote:



GFY? Brother, believe me. If I could, I wood.

and please don't mix my words.
I never called you an inadequate racist.

To answer your question: Is a person "more comfortable" with like-minded people? Sure. Absolutely.
But to extrapolate that into "therefore everyone is racist" is a stretch that even you can see is moronic.

It is a weak mind that perceives "different" as being "inferior".
And if there is no perceived superiority in the like-minded group you belong to, then there is no true racism.

Huck, you wouldn't feel "comfortable" in one of my MENSA group outings. Doesn't mean you think you're superior. Doesn't make you prejudiced against me and my fellow genius brethren. It's just that you wouldn't understand us because we are so much more smarter than you.

No. I'm not in mensa. But you get the point.

Just because YOU obviously feel superior to people with different skin color than your own, doesn't mean everyone feels that way. But you shrug it away because in your mind everyone feels that way. Which is the exact opposite of taking responsibility.

It's like talking to a little kid.
Different doesn't mean worse. It's OK for people to be different. And if you feel "uncomfortable" around different people then you are simply human. But if you feel superior, then you are bigoted.

The only group of people that I know I'm better than are jets fans.






Speyside
8 years ago
Victor, would you call Robert Mapplethorp an artist or a pervert? I would call him an artist and advocate his the right for his work to be publicly shown. Freedom of expression. I feel the same way about Jocko. While I personally find Jocko racist I in no way find Rick racist. With his reasoning I would in no way be offended if he chose to display Jocko.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

I did not repaint Jocko.....that would ruin the antique value
I do not display it on my lawn.........it is in my garage, but out in the open
I do not feel that I am racist.........my grandfather, on the other hand, was the original model for Archie Bunker



So your saying I'm being insensitive if I display a Trump 2020 sign in my yard or a Trump bumper sticker on my truck?

and Huck, you still haven't answered......how do the African Americans that are so offended by Jocko, feel about the 219 times the word n*gger is used in The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn?

RMAN4443 wrote:


This has gotten a little out of hand, right?
I never for a second thought you were racist. With or without Jocko. Even though you're friends with TG.

Your grandfather and my grandfather grew up in a time before the civil rights movement, documented genocide let alone political correctness. I remember racial slurs being yelled out of windows in Brooklyn growing up.
Mark Twains family were southerners. Grew up with slaves. The n-word wasnt an insult, just a word back then.
And Huck was risking a lot by helping the slave Jim escape slavery. Huck was a new breed.

I read Twains autobiography a few months ago and was shocked at some of his racist statements. But I forgive him because of the time he lived in, his childhood, and what words meant then and now. I tend to forgive azzholes in general who I think we're geniuses ie Bobby Fischer...Frank...

Anyway, Huck's n-word record is a problem for teachers these days. They've changed the n-word to slave and tried all kinds of things to keep it on the required reading list. Getting tougher.

Really interesting perspective: worth a look...

johnson/2011/01/sanitising_huckleberry_finn

Sampling:

"..erasing "niigger" from 'Huckleberry Finn'—or ignoring our failures—doesn't change anything. It doesn't provide racial enlightenment, or justice, and it won't shield anyone from the legacy of slavery and racial discrimination. All it does is feed the American aversion to history and reflection."
victor809
8 years ago

Victor, would you call Robert Mapplethorp an artist or a pervert? I would call him an artist and advocate his the right for his work to be publicly shown. Freedom of expression. I feel the same way about Jocko. While I personally find Jocko racist I in no way find Rick racist. With his reasoning I would in no way be offended if he chose to display Jocko.

Speyside wrote:



Everything is context spey.
And no one is restricted from being racist.

I've said it before though. A good motto to live by is if you are doing something and you look to the left of you, and there are Neo Nazis doing the same thing, and you look to the right to find white nationalists doing it too.... You probably should re-examine whatever the hell it is you're doing.
RMAN4443
8 years ago
Yes, it has definitely gotten out of hand.......I love the book, and understand the anti racism in it.....I was merely stating that a statue in and of itself is not racist.....it's intent that makes something racist(or not)........I'm over it......and I was not defending Cac.....I don't know him well enough to say whether he is or isn't racist.....Peace?
HuckFinn
8 years ago

GFY? Brother, believe me. If I could, I wood.

and please don't mix my words.
I never called you an inadequate racist.

To answer your question: Is a person "more comfortable" with like-minded people? Sure. Absolutely.
But to extrapolate that into "therefore everyone is racist" is a stretch that even you can see is moronic.

It is a weak mind that perceives "different" as being "inferior".
And if there is no perceived superiority in the like-minded group you belong to, then there is no true racism.

Huck, you wouldn't feel "comfortable" in one of my MENSA group outings. Doesn't mean you think you're superior. Doesn't make you prejudiced against me and my fellow genius brethren. It's just that you wouldn't understand us because we are so much more smarter than you.

No. I'm not in mensa. But you get the point.

Just because YOU obviously feel superior to people with different skin color than your own, doesn't mean everyone feels that way. But you shrug it away because in your mind everyone feels that way. Which is the exact opposite of taking responsibility.

It's like talking to a little kid.
Different doesn't mean worse. It's OK for people to be different. And if you feel "uncomfortable" around different people then you are simply human. But if you feel superior, then you are bigoted.

The only group of people that I know I'm better than are jets fans.






tailgater wrote:


Oh. I'm an adequate racist. Whew!

I agree that it's lazy or mean-spirited or "weak" to associate "different with inferior".

That largely describes organized indoctrinated racists, right?

I guess I don't think that describes almost everyone else. The same as with the unknown, I think differences make us fearful. And we instinctively hate what we fear.

I feel superior to noone. Cept that guy Z maybe.
No, seriously, you assume that I feel superior to others based on skin tone or ethnicity?
I won't even defend against that. That's absurd.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

Yes, it has definitely gotten out of hand.......I love the book, and understand the anti racism in it.....I was merely stating that a statue in and of itself is not racist.....it's intent that makes something racist(or not)........I'm over it......and I was not defending Cac.....I don't know him well enough to say whether he is or isn't racist.....Peace?

RMAN4443 wrote:


Peace indeed!!

*But I'll never root for the Patriots so ya know.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

Everything is context spey.
And no one is restricted from being racist.

I've said it before though. A good motto to live by is if you are doing something and you look to the left of you, and there are Neo Nazis doing the same thing, and you look to the right to find white nationalists doing it too.... You probably should re-examine whatever the hell it is you're doing.

victor809 wrote:


That's a long motto, but I like it....
bgz
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  • Herf-A-Holic
8 years ago

Everything is context spey.
And no one is restricted from being racist.

I've said it before though. A good motto to live by is if you are doing something and you look to the left of you, and there are Neo Nazis doing the same thing, and you look to the right to find white nationalists doing it too.... You probably should re-examine whatever the hell it is you're doing.

victor809 wrote:




So....

No pissing in urinals in Mississippi.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

So....

No pissing in urinals in Mississippi.

bgz wrote:


They have urinals in Mississippi?
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
8 years ago

They have urinals in Mississippi?

HuckFinn wrote:



*shrug*

I was trying to think of an example where I could find a racist on either side of me doing the same thing I was doing...

That's all I could come up with.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

*shrug*

I was trying to think of an example where I could find a racist on either side of me doing the same thing I was doing...

That's all I could come up with.

bgz wrote:


Was good. For a process of elimination joke.
victor809
8 years ago

Was good. For a process of elimination joke.

HuckFinn wrote:



huh.... a subtle way of calling it a ****ty joke... 🙂
bgz
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  • Herf-A-Holic
8 years ago

huh.... a subtle way of calling it a ****ty joke... :)

victor809 wrote:



I thought the joke was a bit pissy personally.
HuckFinn
8 years ago
And so it begins....

What would Sigmund say!?

I know. "Don't forget to wipe"
tailgater
8 years ago

Oh. I'm an adequate racist. Whew!

I agree that it's lazy or mean-spirited or "weak" to associate "different with inferior".

That largely describes organized indoctrinated racists, right?

I guess I don't think that describes almost everyone else. The same as with the unknown, I think differences make us fearful. And we instinctively hate what we fear.

I feel superior to noone. Cept that guy Z maybe.
No, seriously, you assume that I feel superior to others based on skin tone or ethnicity?
I won't even defend against that. That's absurd.

HuckFinn wrote:



Your words. Not mine.

You can't qualify that "Everyone is racist" and then claim that you don't personally feel superior to others.

victor809
8 years ago
I personally feel superior to all of you.


Does that make me racist?
tailgater
8 years ago

They have urinals in Mississippi?

HuckFinn wrote:



At the end of the buffet.

Pay attention.

tailgater
8 years ago

I personally feel superior to all of you.


Does that make me racist?

victor809 wrote:



depends.
at what elevation do you live?




victor809
8 years ago
Well I'm going to 7000 ft this weekend.

....hmmm....


I better not look left or right there.
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