frankj1
8 years ago
never gonna make 500...running out of hate
Speyside
8 years ago
Victor, I think you also need to take intent into account. It seems to me that is part of context.

The guy on the right is a Neo Nazi who is drawing Swastikas, the guy on the left is a white supremacist who is drawing Swastikas. Pretty obvious this is about fear, hate, and intimidation. The guy in the center is drawing Swastikas so it must be about fear, hate, and intimidation. Yet when translated from Sanskrit it means good and to be. The man in the in the center is a Hindu. To him it symbolizes many things, luck, Surya, and Brahma to name a few. If he had been a Viking, a Greek, a Buddhist, or a Jain the meaning would have been different yet again.

So I don't think it is so clear that Jocko is a racist symbol. Rather I find it a racist symbol and understand how people of color find it a racist symbol. But I respect that to Rick it is something else entirely.
tailgater
8 years ago

Well I'm going to 7000 ft this weekend.

....hmmm....


I better not look left or right there.

victor809 wrote:



Didn't that swivel neck of yours already get you in trouble in the showers?

tailgater
8 years ago

Victor, I think you also need to take intent into account. It seems to me that is part of context.

The guy on the right is a Neo Nazi who is drawing Swastikas, the guy on the left is a white supremacist who is drawing Swastikas. Pretty obvious this is about fear, hate, and intimidation. The guy in the center is drawing Swastikas so it must be about fear, hate, and intimidation. Yet when translated from Sanskrit it means good and to be. The man in the in the center is a Hindu. To him it symbolizes many things, luck, Surya, and Brahma to name a few. If he had been a Viking, a Greek, a Buddhist, or a Jain the meaning would have been different yet again.

So I don't think it is so clear that Jocko is a racist symbol. Rather I find it a racist symbol and understand how people of color find it a racist symbol. But I respect that to Rick it is something else entirely.

Speyside wrote:



Then why does he call it Little Blackie?

Let's ask Huck.
He studied Jockey Gnomes 101 in college.





Speyside
8 years ago
Wouldn't big blackie be silly?
tailgater
8 years ago

Wouldn't big blackie be silly?

Speyside wrote:



More like redundant.
RMAN4443
8 years ago
All the years this things been around, the most interest it's ever gotten has been from my little brother hugging and loving it like a buddy, mention it here,and now it seems to overshadow everything I've ever done...amazing
frankj1
8 years ago

All the years this things been around, the most interest it's ever gotten has been from my little brother hugging and loving it like a buddy, mention it here,and now it seems to overshadow everything I've ever done...amazing

RMAN4443 wrote:


consider it invited to the next herf
RMAN4443
8 years ago

consider it invited to the next herf

frankj1 wrote:


Well,it would probably feel right at home...it lived in Randolph for 35 or so years ,before my grandparents passed on
fishinguitarman
8 years ago

I personally feel superior to all of you.


Does that make me racist?

victor809 wrote:





No that makes you a vain azzhole


AND you "play" Rugby
HuckFinn
8 years ago

I dunno, way I see it, everyone's bigoted or racist to one extent or another....

HuckFinn wrote:


Is what I said.
According to dictionaries, the strict definition of 'racism' includes a feeling of superiority to other, different races . And 'bigoted' a superiority to others' ideas and opinions

But according to psychologists it's more complicated. Racism is prejudice against a particular group based on perceived differences. And it's taught.

According to psychologists it goes deeper than just feelings of superiority: fear, hate, need to belong to something and projection are just as key.

I still stand by that statement. I never met a man who didn't harbor some prejudice.

"While all racists are prejudiced, not all prejudices are racist. Prejudice is a human phenomenon involving cognitive structures we all learn early in life. Racism, on the other hand, is prejudice against a particular group of people based on perceived differences, sometimes taken to the extremes" (psychology today magazine)

The thing that disturbs me in all this is the fact that until we all recognize and admit to ourselves that maybe sometimes we do fear, hate and project our insecurities on to others that are different ethnically, racially , even sexually, we'll never eradicate prejudice.
Can't get rid of what you can't admit exists.
HuckFinn
8 years ago
TG, you may call me whatever you want. It's amusing. Life has humbled me. I know I'm not superior to others. If anything I feel inferior to most. I hate, fear, love and welcome everyone.
tailgater
8 years ago

TG, you may call me whatever you want. It's amusing. Life has humbled me. I know I'm not superior to others. If anything I feel inferior to most. I hate, fear, love and welcome everyone.

HuckFinn wrote:



I haven't called you anything (in this thread) that you didn't tell me was true.

You can't say everyone is racist and then get upset when I call you racist.

It's like you WANT to be offended.





You seem fixated on telling us what WE feel inside.
It's a liberal tendency, so it's not surprising.

I don't stake claim to being without prejudice. Heck, I might have more of them then you.
And I might be more vocal about them than I should be at times.

But to assume my prejudice is based on skin color just proves the idiom about when you "assume".








HuckFinn
8 years ago

I haven't called you anything (in this thread) that you didn't tell me was true.

You can't say everyone is racist and then get upset when I call you racist.

It's like you WANT to be offended.





You seem fixated on telling us what WE feel inside.
It's a liberal tendency, so it's not surprising.

I don't stake claim to being without prejudice. Heck, I might have more of them then you.
And I might be more vocal about them than I should be at times.

But to assume my prejudice is based on skin color just proves the idiom about when you "assume".









tailgater wrote:


Tedious. Damn it.

I said everyone is either, either! racist or bigoted (someone intolerant of different opinions)

OK. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I've miscalculated and I'm assuming people
"feel things inside" that don't exist. And that makes me a so and so...and...yawn

And maybe most people instinctively harbor fear and suspicion for people that are clearly different.

Until I see a poll...oh right...they're usually fake....so...nm

Anyway, where did I say that YOU personally held a prejudice against people of color??
tailgater
8 years ago

Tedious. Damn it.

I said everyone is either, either! racist or bigoted (someone intolerant of different opinions)

OK. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I've miscalculated and I'm assuming people
"feel things inside" that don't exist. And that makes me a so and so...and...yawn

And maybe most people instinctively harbor fear and suspicion for people that are clearly different.

Until I see a poll...oh right...they're usually fake....so...nm

Anyway, where did I say that YOU personally held a prejudice against people of color??

HuckFinn wrote:



The subject was a black lawn jockey.
You said EVERYONE is "either bigoted or racist".

There isn't any wiggle room here.

I may not feel a need to be a conformist, but I usually assume that I'm included in the group known as "everyone".


Besides.
You know I don't think you're racist.
I'm just using your own words to show you how utterly pathetic and ill conceived your comment was.

Tell me this:
If everyone is either bigoted or racist, then why do the left wet their collective panties and claim that Trump is a bigot and/or racist?




HuckFinn
8 years ago

The subject was a black lawn jockey.
You said EVERYONE is "either bigoted or racist".

There isn't any wiggle room here.

I may not feel a need to be a conformist, but I usually assume that I'm included in the group known as "everyone".


Besides.
You know I don't think you're racist.
I'm just using your own words to show you how utterly pathetic and ill conceived your comment was.

Tell me this:
If everyone is either bigoted or racist, then why do the left wet their collective panties and claim that Trump is a bigot and/or racist?




tailgater wrote:


Tons of wiggle room. They were separate ideas. But as they were in the same post and to make a 'point you artificially clumped them together....good thing I didn't mention my allergy to collard greens.
You disagree with me consistantly and undoubtedly think your opinions and ideas are superior to mine, no?
By definition that makes you bigoted.

Ducks.

Yeah, not gonna defend Trump. But TG, civilized and kind men are self-censoring and decent enough to show at very least, civility and respect. He'll read or hear that something he said about countries being chitholes is racist and attack the messenger! No excuse for his statements regarding Mexicans and immigrants of color. Save it.

We see Trump with very different eyes and I don't see him as tolerant. The opposite actually.
If he was my mechanic, so what. He'd just be another jerk. No filter required (see what I did there....?)
But Donald is our president, yawn, and represents me! And us! And he knows who is base is. And they sure ain't people of color. And he nurtures that.

Just bad form

Pick what I've said apart. But if you don't see how Donald is racist there's, well...that
dstieger
8 years ago

Tons of wiggle room. They were separate ideas. But as they were in the same post and you tend to clump....
You disagree with me consistantly and undoubtedly think your opinions and ideas are superior to mine, no?
By definition that makes you bigoted.

Ducks.

Yeah, not gonna defend Trump. But TG, civilized and kind men are self-censoring and decent enough to show at very least, civility and respect. He'll read or hear that something he said about countries being chitholes is racist and attack the messenger! No excuse for his statements regarding Mexicans and immigrants of color. Save it.

We see Trump with very different eyes and I don't see him as tolerant. The opposite actually.
If he was my mechanic, so what. He'd just be another jerk. No filter required (see what I did there....?)
But Donald is our president, yawn, and represents me! And us! And he knows who is base is. And they sure ain't people of color. And he natures that.

Just bad form

Pick what I've said apart. But if you don't see how Donald is racist there's, well...that

HuckFinn wrote:




I, too, disagree with you pretty consistently, Huck. But, I'll agree to a large degree with your assessment that Trump is not all too 'self-censoring', 'civil', respectful, tolerant, or even unbiased. Bad form? Agreed. But, I'm not sure any of that precludes him from having a 'successful' presidency. (Which of course can't be objectively judged by anyone for at least a couple/few decades.) He's far from my ideal president. But, I'm confounded by the mentality (sometimes described as TDS) that prohibits even the detractors from EVER projecting anything other that total negativity.
frankj1
8 years ago

I, too, disagree with you pretty consistently, Huck. But, I'll agree to a large degree with your assessment that Trump is not all too 'self-censoring', 'civil', respectful, tolerant, or even unbiased. Bad form? Agreed. But, I'm not sure any of that precludes him from having a 'successful' presidency. (Which of course can't be objectively judged by anyone for at least a couple/few decades.) He's far from my ideal president. But, I'm confounded by the mentality (sometimes described as TDS) that prohibits even the detractors from EVER projecting anything other that total negativity.

dstieger wrote:


I'm POSITIVE I'd do his daughter.
dstieger
8 years ago

I'm POSITIVE I'd do his daughter.

frankj1 wrote:



Such great news. Poor Tiffany just gets neglected most of the time.
tailgater
8 years ago

Tons of wiggle room. They were separate ideas. But as they were in the same post and to make a 'point you artificially clumped them together....good thing I didn't mention my allergy to collard greens.
You disagree with me consistantly and undoubtedly think your opinions and ideas are superior to mine, no?
By definition that makes you bigoted.

Ducks.

Yeah, not gonna defend Trump. But TG, civilized and kind men are self-censoring and decent enough to show at very least, civility and respect. He'll read or hear that something he said about countries being chitholes is racist and attack the messenger! No excuse for his statements regarding Mexicans and immigrants of color. Save it.

We see Trump with very different eyes and I don't see him as tolerant. The opposite actually.
If he was my mechanic, so what. He'd just be another jerk. No filter required (see what I did there....?)
But Donald is our president, yawn, and represents me! And us! And he knows who is base is. And they sure ain't people of color. And he natures that.

Just bad form

Pick what I've said apart. But if you don't see how Donald is racist there's, well...that

HuckFinn wrote:





Trump isn't civilized or self-censoring. We agree.
The rest of your post is conjecture by someone who is blind with hatred towards President Donald Trump.


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