frankj1
8 years ago

It'd be nice to see him run a bunch more races, but he's worth more as a sperm donor...

delta1 wrote:


Sure, the money is good and it sounds so easy, but take my word for it...it's not for everyone.
LetsRock
8 years ago

on a side note, Gronkowski earned me $138.00 w:d/

RMAN4443 wrote:


$20 to place?
LetsRock
8 years ago

It'd be nice to see him run a bunch more races, but he's worth more as a sperm donor...

delta1 wrote:



He will run the rest of this year and my guess is he runs in the Pegasus at Gulfstream in January for the $16m purse then retires.
MojoFilter
8 years ago

Justify is worthy of all the hype...great horse. Smith barely touched him down the stretch...the horse seemed to be in cruise control all the way.

The lack of any real challenger may take some shine off this Triple Crown winner...Alydar enhanced Affirmed's reputation...their historic rivalry elevated both...

delta1 wrote:




Lots of controversy brewing about Restoring Hopes ride (and Noble Indy's). I thought it would blow over but it seems to be picking up a bit of steam. I have to admit.......I was dumbfounded at the blatant attempt to protect Justify. It happens all the time........but c'mon man.......be a little more subtle about your intentions. Justify wins, with or without the shenanigans of his stablemate but that crap was totally unnecessary. It was just too obvious and not well executed. Maybe some rule changes are coming.

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Belmont_Stakes_Controversy_a_Transparency_Issue_123# 
RMAN4443
8 years ago

$20 to place?

LetsRock wrote:


$10 win $10 place $10 show......Place paid $13.80
LetsRock
8 years ago

$10 win $10 place $10 show......Place paid $13.80

RMAN4443 wrote:



I think your math might be off but a win is a win regardless. Congrats!!

I'm just glad I didn't have to congratulate Gronk in person. Being 2 feet away from Belichick earlier in the day was enough to make my skin crawl.
dstieger
8 years ago

Lots of controversy brewing about Restoring Hopes ride (and Noble Indy's). I thought it would blow over but it seems to be picking up a bit of steam. I have to admit.......I was dumbfounded at the blatant attempt to protect Justify. It happens all the time........but c'mon man.......be a little more subtle about your intentions. Justify wins, with or without the shenanigans of his stablemate but that crap was totally unnecessary. It was just too obvious and not well executed. Maybe some rule changes are coming.

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Belmont_Stakes_Controversy_a_Transparency_Issue_123# 

MojoFilter wrote:




Is it illegal?

Is it different than what Nascar teams do?

If the 'offended horse' had been AHEAD of the 'blocking' horse, wouldn't he have avoided being blocked?
LetsRock
8 years ago

Is it illegal?

Is it different than what Nascar teams do?

If the 'offended horse' had been AHEAD of the 'blocking' horse, wouldn't he have avoided being blocked?

dstieger wrote:



And who has the right to tell a jockey how to position his/her horse if he/she feels it gives them the best chance to win? Doesn't always work out and it might compromise the chances of some of the other horses but too bad.
MojoFilter
8 years ago
I think Justify wins, regardless of the tactics. I've seen similar tactics in lesser races (it happens all the time) but.......I guess being the final race for the Triple Crown, has some people upset (mostly people who lost) but I can see their argument. It was very blatant and it appeared Restoring Hope was intentionally trying to block certain horses. Is it legal? Depends on your interpretation of the rules or more importantly.....the Race Stewarts interpretation. Either way.......Justify was the best horse on the track and no one will take away his Triple Crown. It's a shame, Baffert felt Justify needed the extra "assistance". I don't think he needed it.
MojoFilter
8 years ago

And who has the right to tell a jockey how to position his/her horse if he/she feels it gives them the best chance to win? Doesn't always work out and it might compromise the chances of some of the other horses but too bad.

LetsRock wrote:




In this case....I would think the owner has the right to instruct on how his (or her) horse will run any race. From what I've read.....Restoring Hope's owner, was upset over the way Florent Geroux ran his horse.

From the NY Post article:
Gary West, who owns Restoring Hope, was livid about the handling of his horse. "I have no earthly idea what Florent was thinking or what his race strategy was," West told the New York Post in an email. "Had I known better, the first eighth of a mile I would have thought it was a quarter-horse race, not the mile-and-a-half Belmont. Maybe the horse was completely out of control and Florent had no choice. I will never know."
RMAN4443
8 years ago

I think your math might be off but a win is a win regardless. Congrats!!

I'm just glad I didn't have to congratulate Gronk in person. Being 2 feet away from Belichick earlier in the day was enough to make my skin crawl.

LetsRock wrote:


I don't understand, how is my math off....a friend of mine went to the race, I asked him to place my bet, yesterday he handed me my $138.00 in winnings? Isn't that correct? I'm not much of a Horse Racing guy, and I really don't understand the intricacies of betting on the races 😰
LetsRock
8 years ago

I don't understand, how is my math off....a friend of mine went to the race, I asked him to place my bet, yesterday he handed me my $138.00 in winnings? Isn't that correct? I'm not much of a Horse Racing guy, and I really don't understand the intricacies of betting on the races 😰

RMAN4443 wrote:



Gronk paid $13.80 to place and $7 to show.

Those are based on a $2 bet.

If you bet $10 to place and show you won $13.80 x 5 = $69 and $7 x 5 = $35 for a total of $104.

That's why I asked if you did $20 to place because $13.80 x 10 = $138

Maybe your friend is just more generous than mine are.
LetsRock
8 years ago

In this case....I would think the owner has the right to instruct on how his (or her) horse will run any race. From what I've read.....Restoring Hope's owner, was upset over the way Florent Geroux ran his horse.

From the NY Post article:
Gary West, who owns Restoring Hope, was livid about the handling of his horse. "I have no earthly idea what Florent was thinking or what his race strategy was," West told the New York Post in an email. "Had I known better, the first eighth of a mile I would have thought it was a quarter-horse race, not the mile-and-a-half Belmont. Maybe the horse was completely out of control and Florent had no choice. I will never know."

MojoFilter wrote:



Agreed but sometimes jockeys need to call an audible based on circumstances or experience. This would also imply that Baffert had a side deal with Geroux since I cant imagine a jockey sacrificing a big pay day and a place in history for the benefit of another horse he has no vested interest in.
MojoFilter
8 years ago

Agreed but sometimes jockeys need to call an audible based on circumstances or experience. This would also imply that Baffert had a side deal with Geroux since I cant imagine a jockey sacrificing a big pay day and a place in history for the benefit of another horse he has no vested interest in.

LetsRock wrote:



Makes you wonder why a jockey with the credentials of Geroux, would ride a horse that had only one win and never raced in a G1 race before. For that matter.......it makes you wonder why Restoring Hope, would even be allowed to run the Belmont Stakes. I've learned through experience, that there are few sports industries, more crooked than Horse Racing..........but......it's nothing new. Been this way looong before my time. They all have to compete on the same stage and Baffert simply out-maneuvered (for lack of a better term 😗 ) the others. I just don't think it was necessary, especially with the goofy way Geroux used their strategy. I've watched the race 10+ times...........there is no doubt in my mind, what Geroux's intentions were and there is also no doubt in my mind......Justify would have won without any "help". Just added another stain to an already troubled sport......but I love watchin' dem horses run!!!
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