jespear
7 years ago
WORST fuggin' BS call in sports history.
[ram27bat]
DrafterX
7 years ago
Pretty messed up... Pissed me off... ๐Ÿ˜ 
corey sellers
7 years ago
I would have spun his ass out
Whistlebritches
7 years ago
Maximum Security,his owner and the jockey got robbed.I cannot believe they made that call on a wet track.Is Roger Goodell involved in horse racing?
Burner02
7 years ago

Not traditional but doesnโ€™t sound too bad. ๐ŸŒซ

However, there is only one truly Great Classic Mint Julep recipe that locals frequently use. And here it is:

โ€œPluck the mint gently from its bed, just as the dew of the evening is about to form on it. Select the choicer sprigs only, but do not rinse them. Prepare the simple syrup and measure out a half-tumbler of whiskey. Pour the whiskey into a well-frosted silver cup, throw the other ingredients away, and drink the whiskey.โ€ - Henry Watterson ๐ŸŒซ

Buckwheat wrote:




Novel idea, will give this a try this afternoon.
tailgater
7 years ago


TG: old tube sock I can believe. You with several girlfriends, I think not๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.

streetrod wrote:



LOL!
OK. I may have embellished a bit.

One ex gf, 2 pen pals, a nosy old man next door with binoculars, and an old tube sock.


tailgater
7 years ago
Getting back to the race.


I don't follow horse racing and know very little about it.

I've seen the replays and it's obvious that maximum security did what is claimed by derby officials.
The question is whether that's cause for DQ.

What are the rules for "staying in your lane"?
Should that rule be ignored due to weather?

Horses and jockey bump all the time.
Is it a question of intent? Because it didn't appear to be on purpose, although I suppose a seasoned jockey could make it look subtle I'm sure.

Outside of the big three races, does this happen with some frequency?

Do the rules allow for the judges to be subjective?
Or is this the first time it's happened simply because the video coverage is so much better than in years past?


DrafterX
7 years ago
I heard they DQ'd the horse cause his rider was black... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
frankj1
7 years ago

Getting back to the race.


I don't follow horse racing and know very little about it.

I've seen the replays and it's obvious that maximum security did what is claimed by derby officials.
The question is whether that's cause for DQ.

What are the rules for "staying in your lane"?
Should that rule be ignored due to weather?

Horses and jockey bump all the time.
Is it a question of intent? Because it didn't appear to be on purpose, although I suppose a seasoned jockey could make it look subtle I'm sure.

Outside of the big three races, does this happen with some frequency?

Do the rules allow for the judges to be subjective?
Or is this the first time it's happened simply because the video coverage is so much better than in years past?


tailgater wrote:


reminds me of Rosanne Rosannadanna
Buckwheat
7 years ago

Maximum Security,his owner and the jockey got robbed.I cannot believe they made that call on a wet track.Is Roger Goodell involved in horse racing?

Whistlebritches wrote:



One of the funniest comments I've read on the DQ of Maximum Security. =d>
victor809
7 years ago

Getting back to the race.


I don't follow horse racing and know very little about it.

I've seen the replays and it's obvious that maximum security did what is claimed by derby officials.
The question is whether that's cause for DQ.

What are the rules for "staying in your lane"?
Should that rule be ignored due to weather?

Horses and jockey bump all the time.
Is it a question of intent? Because it didn't appear to be on purpose, although I suppose a seasoned jockey could make it look subtle I'm sure.

Outside of the big three races, does this happen with some frequency?

Do the rules allow for the judges to be subjective?
Or is this the first time it's happened simply because the video coverage is so much better than in years past?


tailgater wrote:



Not hard to look up:
"A leading horse if clear is entitled to any part of the track,. If a leading horse or any other horse in a race swerves or is ridden to either side so as to interfere with, intimidate, or impede any other horse or jockey, or to cause the same result, this action shall be deemed a foul. If a jockey strikes another horse or jockey, it is a foul. If in the opinion of the stewards a foul alters the finish of a race, an offending horse may be disqualified by the stewards."

No "bad weather allowance"
No "intent" question

I don't see why anyone would be too bothered by it. If it clearly happened... and the rule is reasonably clear....
dstieger
7 years ago

Not hard to look up:
"A leading horse if clear is entitled to any part of the track,. If a leading horse or any other horse in a race swerves or is ridden to either side so as to interfere with, intimidate, or impede any other horse or jockey, or to cause the same result, this action shall be deemed a foul. If a jockey strikes another horse or jockey, it is a foul. If in the opinion of the stewards a foul alters the finish of a race, an offending horse may be disqualified by the stewards."

No "bad weather allowance"
No "intent" question

I don't see why anyone would be too bothered by it. If it clearly happened... and the rule is reasonably clear....

victor809 wrote:


I don't care and am not bothered....don't know jack about horse racing and didn't watch this race.

But your quoted rules seem to require judging intent....which is always problematic...so, not sure how you can say it clearly happened. Did the offending jockey admit intent to interfere, intimidate, etc If he drove a certain line for preferred dirt, or to avoid potholes, or something, I don't think it'd be a foul
DrafterX
7 years ago
Apparently the horse got startled by crowd noise and went sideways a bit... I don't think he ever bumped another horse... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
victor809
7 years ago

I don't care and am not bothered....don't know jack about horse racing and didn't watch this race.

But your quoted rules seem to require judging intent....which is always problematic...so, not sure how you can say it clearly happened. Did the offending jockey admit intent to interfere, intimidate, etc If he drove a certain line for preferred dirt, or to avoid potholes, or something, I don't think it'd be a foul

dstieger wrote:




I'm reading that sentence differently.

The question isn't whether the jockey is intending to "interfere with, intimidate, or impede any other horse or jockey, or to cause the same result". The sentence is asking whether the action actually did do that. The wording isn't really ambiguous there. It's clear from a few clauses: "horse swerves" (indicates that it may happen without rider intent at all) and "or to cause the same result" (ie, who cares what you intended to do, did the result end up in an interference or impedance)

Situation 1 - the lead horse swerves or is ridden to either side, but no one is there... then there is no foul
Situation 2 - the lead horse swerves or is ridden to either side, and these actions cause it to "interfere with, intimidate, or impede any other horse or jockey, or to cause the same result"... then you have a foul.

You are correct in that there is a judgement call which needs to be made. But the judgement call is on whether there action caused interference, and whether that interference "alters the finish of a race".

victor809
7 years ago

Apparently the horse got startled by crowd noise and went sideways a bit... I don't think he ever bumped another horse... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ

DrafterX wrote:



Doesn't really matter. Apparently the other horses had to slow down to avoid running into him because of it.
DrafterX
7 years ago
Thought it funny the person advocating the objection the most was the owner of the second place horse... Didn't hear anything from the horse that supposedly got cutoff... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
tonygraz
7 years ago
Too damn many horses in the race.
skillett
7 years ago
Really think it would be beneficial to hear from the horse's mouth. Or better, let Congress handle it.
skillett
7 years ago
Really think it would be beneficial to hear from the horse's mouth.
KingoftheCove
7 years ago

Too damn many horses in the race.

tonygraz wrote:


+1
Particularly on a sloppy track. Still, that wide turn messed up like 5 horses imo.
Not to take anything away from Secretariat, but the final two legs of that Triple Crown had really small fields......6 and 7 I think, not that it would have made a difference..........but still.
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