dstieger
7 years ago
Admittedly, I haven't followed the NBA for many years, so....maybe I'm completely misunderstanding something....but I thought I just read that two players who recently tore up their bodies so bad, they cannot play this year signed FA contracts for 30-40 million PER YEAR....including this year..? Really? Pro sports contracts never cease to amaze me
delta1
7 years ago
unbelievable...$40 million to rehab, do physical therapy and watch teammates practice and play for a full year...NBA is in a whole different economic universe...even makes Hollywood look conservative...

average NBA player in one year makes more than twice what I did in my entire working life...
pacman357
7 years ago
I lost interest in the NBA years ago. Probably around the time the Sonics left Seattle. Truth is, it's just not my game. However, with all of the soap opera drama from this year's finals, at least I watched a couple games. I still cannot believe what happened...the Kevin Durant saga alone had writers predicting the demise of everything from the NBA itself to life on other planets. The entire league makes no sense to me, and the salaries are beyond insane. The personal crap, in-fighting, backstabbing, mewling, kvetching, social media sniping. You can keep it. The entire damned thing. I've never seen a sport on any level so self-absorbed and infantile. It has become a daycare business for overpaid babies.
delta1
7 years ago
not just the players raking in the dough...average value of an NBA franchise is about $2 Billion...

Knicks haven't won diddly in decades but it is the highest valued team at more than $4 Billion...


some of the players are making up uo $100 Million a year on top of their player's salaries with shoe and clothing deals with companies like Nike, adidas, Under Armor, and other product endorsements...
ZRX1200
7 years ago
So??

They’re worth what the make right?

Or do you guys just hate minorities that have succeeded?
ZRX1200
7 years ago
I’ve been paid to rehab before too you judge mental conservatives
delta1
7 years ago
didn't realize your camping trips have become so popular...better make the most of it...your "prime" won't last forever...
frankj1
7 years ago

So??

They’re worth what the make right?

Or do you guys just hate minorities that have succeeded?

ZRX1200 wrote:


this feels like it's not sarcasm.

I feel one is worth what another will pay. And hard to believe but the NBA does have some negotiated constraints on salaries and salary slots and more.

The amazing success of all involved from owners to players is what I meant in a recent thread when I called them the most enlightened league of all. The players are more than paid labor, they are partners with equity. Lower crime and lower drug issues too. They make football and hockey players/unions look like a bunch of idiots.

Perhaps only soccer (and maybe not) reaches as much or more of the planet than Basketball.

pacman357
7 years ago

So??

They’re worth what the make right?

Or do you guys just hate minorities that have succeeded?

ZRX1200 wrote:


I don't care WHAT a person is, but I do some times care WHO a person is. My disdain for the NBA is solely based on the fact that they have become this high-end melodrama and it seems like every time I see news about the league, someone is tearful to the point that I ask aloud if the speaker just got kicked in the vag. The fact that I really, really suck at basketball probably has something to do with it. Race, gender, age, orientation...none of that matters to me.

BTW, when Balmer paid $2 billion for the friggin' Clippers, I just about pooped myself laughing. The Clippers. Two billion. I just don't get that. If it makes you feel better, last time I checked, Balmer is white.

Incidentally, teachers in Washington seem to be following the same sort of business model (and I'm the son of a retired teacher, and a brother to an active teacher). For years they complained about class sizes, pay, etc., and in many cases, rightly so. Someone brought a lawsuit claiming the state wasn't providing the level of education guaranteed in the state constitution. The Washington Supreme Court agreed, ordered certain improvements, and a few years of wrangling in the legislature and mounting contempt of court fines, the schools got a LOT more money. I swear, every district in the state next went on strike, with teachers demanding large pay increases.

Well, they got it. Now the majority of the school districts are in the red again, teachers and staff are getting laid off left and right, and the old complaints about class size, conditions of older buildings, etc., have arisen again. Um...OK, I spent over half of my educational years in public schools, so maybe I lack the necessary math skills, but it seems to me that the huge pay increases may not have been the best overall move for teachers and students. All they need now is a new arena and threaten to move to another state, and the pro sports model will have been completed.
ZRX1200
7 years ago
I don’t care for the modern NBA, because I’m over the “branding” the Social Justice Warriors and the way the game is called. Bothers me because I used to love the league, and they’ve never had this level of talent so widespread through the league.

I hate what Harden, Paul and James get calls on.....even Lillard sometimes and he’s on “my team”.
Abrignac
7 years ago
FWIW, I wouldn’t give two chits if the NBA disappeared. I can’t wrap my head around paying ridiculously high prices to go to a game.

Billionaire owners threaten to leave cities if they refuse to build stadiums and arenas for said team, even going so far as to spend infrastructure dollars those facilities.

Upwards of at least $100 or more dollars to wear a replica jersey of a whiny ass millionaire.

Hell I’ve quit watching college basketball because top notch players freeload off the university, ie the public, so they can showcase their talent for a season to increase their draft chances.

I could go on, but why bother?
frankj1
7 years ago

FWIW, I wouldn’t give two chits if the NBA disappeared. I can’t wrap my head around paying ridiculously high prices to go to a game.

Billionaire owners threaten to leave cities if they refuse to build stadiums and arenas for said team, even going so far as to spend infrastructure dollars those facilities.

Upwards of at least $100 or more dollars to wear a replica jersey of a whiny ass millionaire.

Hell I’ve quit watching college basketball because top notch players freeload off the university, ie the public, so they can showcase their talent for a season to increase their draft chances.

I could go on, but why bother?

Abrignac wrote:


watch for the great athletes.
Let them and their partners (the owners) take care of the business end.
They have it figured out.
dstieger
7 years ago



I feel one is worth what another will pay.

frankj1 wrote:



So....I feel like the world is a little upside down at the moment....since it feels like someone generally living on the left side of the fence might have less regard for straight up Adam Smith capitalism than a born and bred conservative laissez faire type like myself.

But....IDK....

I agree with you...to a point. I never really begrudge the players of any sport getting what they can -- though I do have a problem with a sometimes expectation that they can collectively bargain and still demand no-risk free-agency and fight salary cap systems...but, I guess, who doesn't want to have it both ways?

On the other hand, maybe just some devilish advocacy, I am rarely certain that pro sports should be too much regarded as a business. Factors like subsidized stadiums and arenas; or the sense of pride and ownership of a local franchise, even if not monetarily...the idea that any average joe is the average fan, but no average joe can afford to get near a live game any more....just leads me to be a bit wishywashy on the free marketness of it all. So, Kevin Durant is getting most of $40M to NOT play in Barclays this year; an arena partially subsidized by its Brooklyn neighbors and leveraged the government to 'legally' take people's homes and businesses....there's just enough stink to make me bitch about big salaries and those who pay them

As to the game itself, I was a longtime NBA fan, but there was a time between Jordan and LeBron that I felt the team game had been surrendered to college only and I stopped enjoying the individual game of the NBA. That was a long time ago and maybe things are different...or never really changed, but I stopped enjoying it, so perhaps I'm a little quicker to rip on them since I don't care for the sport much any more
pacman357
7 years ago
I hear it was $3 billion in total contracts in the first 24 or 48 hours of free agency. Billion, with a "B". I don't begrudge anyone in any profession from making a huge salary (well, OK, maybe Tom Cruise). It's what the market will bear. I just have to wonder how long the various sports, all pro sports, can sustain on a business model where the entire thing can cave in once enough people lose interest in the sport. It's been happening to baseball for a while, yet big contracts are still being handed out (although the offseason saw some serious pruning there, with two of the bigger name pitchers sitting and waiting for someone to pay their asking price). Big TV contracts, people paying increasingly crazier prices for admission and concessions...get your payday while you can. MLB may give us a clue. When a guy who plays every 5th day and makes maybe 30-35 starts in a year and makes $30 million a year, or even those making that money and playing every day, in a sport with declining attendance becomes the norm, then you get a dead offseason. The players thought it was collusion. There are what, 15, 17 teams in rebuild mode? This cannot last forever. Younger sports should pay heed, as one that has been around for well over 100 years is showing its age, and it is going bald, getting fat and increasingly relying on trinkets and gimmicks to get anyone to pay attention to it, and baseball was always my favorite sport (42 years of Seattle Mariners futility amid what seems to be its 86th rebuilding year is killing it for me...I mean, they paid Philly $18 million to take Jay Bruce off of their hands, and days later, traded their best hitter to the Yankees. The effing Yankees.).
delta1
7 years ago
you said it...TV....the average joe, in great numbers, watches on TV, driving ad revenues...so in that sense we are helping to pay the salaries and build net worth for the owners...
frankj1
7 years ago

I hear it was $3 billion in total contracts in the first 24 or 48 hours of free agency. Billion, with a "B". I don't begrudge anyone in any profession from making a huge salary (well, OK, maybe Tom Cruise). It's what the market will bear. I just have to wonder how long the various sports, all pro sports, can sustain on a business model where the entire thing can cave in once enough people lose interest in the sport. It's been happening to baseball for a while, yet big contracts are still being handed out (although the offseason saw some serious pruning there, with two of the bigger name pitchers sitting and waiting for someone to pay their asking price). Big TV contracts, people paying increasingly crazier prices for admission and concessions...get your payday while you can. MLB may give us a clue. When a guy who plays every 5th day and makes maybe 30-35 starts in a year and makes $30 million a year, or even those making that money and playing every day, in a sport with declining attendance becomes the norm, then you get a dead offseason. The players thought it was collusion. There are what, 15, 17 teams in rebuild mode? This cannot last forever. Younger sports should pay heed, as one that has been around for well over 100 years is showing its age, and it is going bald, getting fat and increasingly relying on trinkets and gimmicks to get anyone to pay attention to it, and baseball was always my favorite sport (42 years of Seattle Mariners futility amid what seems to be its 86th rebuilding year is killing it for me...I mean, they paid Philly $18 million to take Jay Bruce off of their hands, and days later, traded their best hitter to the Yankees. The effing Yankees.).

pacman357 wrote:


baseball does little to globalize their sport other than letting Japan do their own thing and cherry picking the best, and also signing prepubescent teens from limited parts of Latin America.
150 years later they decide to play two games in England? Please.

In the late 50's/early 60's the NBA started sending Red Auerbach and Co to Russia to teach them how to play AND how to coach...and they haven't stopped selling their product world wide since. They probably have players from every continent except Eskimosia. There are real pro leagues in Russia, Spain, Germany, Greece, China, Turkey etc. etc. etc.

They weathered a period of real bad stuff, bad players, bad owners, bad character among both, bad games...and fixed it all.
They even instituted a dress code for players when travelling to satisfy the nonbelievers among doubting fans who still had difficulty believing in these players.

In addition to the cooperation between the owners and the players I already cited, I personally feel the play is better than, say the Iverson years, more team play as evidenced by the Spurs for over a decade, the Warriors over five years, and some others on the verge of making it to the top. As amazing a scorer as Harden is, the Rockets won't win it with his ball hog style.

That said, I miss low post play and don't like the strategy of hoisting 3-pointers, but those changes have forced the evolution of even more athletic types than ever. Wing men are the rage, and "stretch" big men who can step out and hit the 3 have opened the lane and resulted in more action and more points than in the dark years.

I love baseball, always will, but hoops is stealing their lunch.
edit: Pac, please hit "enter" every so often for ease of reading.
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