Burner02
7 years ago

I heard that some segment of the alt-right (white supremacists) have co-opted the 13 colony American flag as the symbol of their beliefs...does that change the dynamics here?


https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2019/07/the-betsy-ross-flag-has-it-become-a-symbol-of-hate.html 

delta1 wrote:




So, you are saying that Obama is now alt-right?
ZRX1200
7 years ago
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Burner02
7 years ago

Well said

izonfire wrote:




+1
delta1
7 years ago

So, you are saying that Obama is now alt-right?

Burner02 wrote:



I dunno...was just wondering what the big deal was about the 13 colony flag and why some peeps were opposed to the shoes...honestly had no idea...saw that article and thought it might help to fill-in the background here...kinda like a PSA...
izonfire
7 years ago

I dunno...was just wondering what the big deal was about the 13 colony flag and why some peeps were opposed to the shoes...honestly had no idea...saw that article and thought it might help to fill-in the background here...kinda like a PSA...

delta1 wrote:



Well, it ended up right in your frontloader...
victor809
7 years ago
Delta... You're not wrong.

There's images of the proudboys in DC this week carrying a 13 colony flag... So it appears it has been coopted by the white supremacists.

I imagine "#1 with white supremacists" is not an image most companies are looking for... (I mean, except the RNC)....
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

Delta... You're not wrong.

There's images of the proudboys in DC this week carrying a 13 colony flag... So it appears it has been coopted by the white supremacists.

I imagine "#1 with white supremacists" is not an image most companies are looking for... (I mean, except the RNC)....

victor809 wrote:


Sad... Sad liberal...

The proud boys are not a white supremacist group... I know, temptation to label any and everyone you disagree with as a Nazi or white supremacist or fascist is hard to resist... But resist you must, because people like you get people like trump elected...

The proud boys are trolls... So when someone overly sensitive decides something bothers them, the proud boys are gonna adopt that symbol... Like downing cups of milk...

This isn't a chicken or the egg question... Liberal outrage comes first... Then come the trolls adoption of the outrageous symbol...
victor809
7 years ago
I wonder what we call the Germans who wore the Nazi uniform "ironically" to "own the Jews"?
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
You must be confused... No one is talking about Nazis... We're talking about trolls and the overly sensitive liberals who want to associate everything they disagree with with Nazis...

We don't have a Nazi problem in the country... We have an overly sensitive left...
victor809
7 years ago
You missed my point completely.

opelmanta1900
7 years ago
I ignored your point... You just called a large swatch of people white supremacists simply because they won't agree with you... I chose to address what's clearly the greater issue in our country....
victor809
7 years ago
They are using white supremacist symbols.

You claim they are doing so "ironically".

I simply pointed out that there were probably those same people in the 1930s/40s who were ironically being Nazis... Probably because their Jewish neighbors said it was bad.

I'm sure we categorize them differently now, right? There's a "these guys weren't serious about being Nazis, just waved the symbols around" section of the Holocaust museum, right?
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
What white supremacist symbols?
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
And when did I ever claim the proud boys were using white supremacist symbols "ironically"?
victor809
7 years ago
Proud boys rallies include people with swastika tattoos... People wearing Nazi SS "deaths head" patches....

I dunno about any of you, but my mother taught me that I'm probably in a white supremacist group if I've got Nazis marching with me.

Proud boys were at that "Jews will not replace us" Charlottesville tiki torch marching.

opelmanta1900
7 years ago
So was the media... What are you saying? If you were there, youre a white supremacist?

Again, sad liberal...

I'm gonna say some things that might make you cry with anger, so hang in there...

Tiki torches are not white supremacist symbols...

Drinking milk is not the action of a white supremacist...

The "ok" symbol is not a white supremacist symbol...

The 13 star American flag is not a symbol of Nazis or fascists or white supremacists...

Can white supremacists utilize all these symbols? Sure... Doesn't mean they belong to them or that anyone who uses them is part of their movement...

Am I gonna stop drinking milk because black people are offended? Am I gonna disrespect the 13 star flag because some people I don't agree with like it? Of course not... I'm not a bitch, I don't take kindly to bullying, and quite frankly I've got too much to think about to consider the feelings of children who are professionally offended by everything that casts a shadow...
victor809
7 years ago
You did in post 47. That's what you described... Them adopting symbols because it bothers people, not because they believe in it or whatever.

It's BS on a lot of levels...

If some douche canoes claim they're only holding up the "ok" symbol to "own the libs" and not because they're white power, but their group includes people who have Nazi tattoos... Then they're at best providing cover for Nazis.

Their old leader published a number of anti-jew and anti Muslim articles... They coincidentally like to March at everything that groups which claim to be white supremacist groups are marching at...

RMAN4443
7 years ago
.....“This whole PC thing has gotten way out of hand,” said one commenter. “Why is it acceptable to proudly wear a Black Lives Matter T shirt, and not our country’s flag?”

The Betsy Ross flag is depicted on the Department of Veterans Affairs official shield.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/09/15/does-americas-first-flag-symbolize-exclusion-and-hate-like-this-mich-school-superintendent-said/?utm_term=.7323425ce294 


What is the world coming to when a flag or other symbol offends a few and gets banned because of their particular sensibilities? The American flag, in all of its forms, should be flown with pride, not reviled. Because the first American flag was created during a time of slavery does not make it a symbol of slavery.

And just in case any of you forgot(CLIFFY), Obama displayed the "Betsy Ross Flag" very, VERY prominently at his 2nd Inauguration.....was Obama's 2nd Inauguration a "Proud Boy Rally" too?
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

You did in post 47. That's what you described... Them adopting symbols because it bothers people, not because they believe in it or whatever.

It's BS on a lot of levels...

If some douche canoes claim they're only holding up the "ok" symbol to "own the libs" and not because they're white power, but their group includes people who have Nazi tattoos... Then they're at best providing cover for Nazis.

Their old leader published a number of anti-jew and anti Muslim articles... They coincidentally like to March at everything that groups which claim to be white supremacist groups are marching at...

victor809 wrote:


Trolling and irony are not the same thing... You don't understand trolling...

Also, nazi by proxy? Sad... Sad liberal move....
victor809
7 years ago
Dear lord Opel... I'm sorry you really want to be a proud boy....

This isn't hard.
Replace any of those dumb symbols or ideas with a swastika and think of what you would say about someone using it, wearing it, waving it who then claims its just to "troll the libs"
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