dstieger
7 years ago
Because I didn't have something smartazz to say about the rest of it.
I was highlighting your lead comment -- and an absolute at that....I hate ALL absolute comments ;)
I commented on flag laws and background checking in earlier posts.

I'm a long ways from being sure that any mandatory death sentence for any crime is a good idea...but not something I really feel like arguing about at the moment
RMAN4443
7 years ago
and Drafter's Rocket Dogs.....:-k

.....rocks can really hurt if you throw them really really hard....







[sarcasm] (just in case it needs to be said)

tailgater
7 years ago



Sensibly legislating who should not be able to buy weapons makes sense. It will accomplish something. This should be obvious to anyone not wearing red colored glasses.

Speyside wrote:



So.
Who should be able to buy weapons?
Who decides?
Based on what?

If I wanted to purchase some guns I would be less likely to visit a shrink even if I should.
Unintended consequences.


The criminal penalty for selling weapons illegally should be the death penalty. Logically it would stop a whole lot of the illegal weapon trade. This should not be objectionable to anyone who isn't a criminal.

Speyside wrote:



So if the nice little old lady next door sells her husbands weapons after his death, but she forgets to fill out government form xyz, she should be put to death?










CelticBomber
7 years ago

You are right....but your conclusion is wrong. You
..me..others who think about this more rationally than emotionally might think through it. But it isn't just the anti gun crowd that has a visceral reaction to an AK or AR. If that were the case, they wouldn't be so popular. You watch a young guy with an AR15 in his hands and he changes. MUCH more adrenaline or testosterone or whatever...compared to handling a shotgun, hunting rifle or even a handgun

dstieger wrote:



The top five selling firearms going back to I believe the report said 1986 are all semi auto hand guns, next is a 22L rifle and the next 4 are different variations on the AR - 15 or a shotgun. What you described of how people feel holding a rifle as opposed to a hand gun is your own feelings about these guns. Not a fact, just your perception which I'd be willing to bet partly comes from how they are portrayed in the news. One reason the AR - 15 and the AK are a popular choice comes down to reliability more than anything else. But, they are not the overwhelmingly most popular fire arms out there. Again this perception people have about these weapons comes down to the word "assault" rifle, Hollywood portrayals and the fact that the national news networks will report for days when one of these rifles in used in a horrific crime but when it comes down to hand gun crimes they barely, if at all, get a mention.

I used Gun Genius, The NRA website, the ATF and other Federally commissioned studies to get my info. According to the ATF rifles are used in just 13% of all gun related crime.
teedubbya
7 years ago
Never underestimate your inability to decider the legal definition of pistol, hand gun, rifle, SBR , weapon, explosives etc. it’s not as clear as one thinks.

dstieger
7 years ago
I didn't use any of those sites. I did zero research. My comments were NOT about my reaction or feeling about anything ever in any news. I was speaking of my real observations of real young men handling real guns -- nothing more...and certainly nothing less. If you don't believe that many (most?) individuals have a visceral, emotional reaction when handling a gun....and that it varies with the type of gun ....if you don't believe that, then stop reading and go to a range
ZRX1200
7 years ago
I’m going to the range this weekend!!

Sincerely,

The Pope
Speyside
7 years ago
Tail, sensible legislation. Things like someone put is a psych ward for violent behavior, people with certain felony convictions such as murder, not Joe average.

Also a law that narrowly defines a class of illegal gun sales. Take of the Joe stirs the pot hat and look at the intent of what I said.
frankj1
7 years ago
#68 what about restraining orders doled out due to fear of another? there's a lot of gray area and stuff here


btw, bad news for those counting on better mental health in the USA as a cure for mass shootings.
approximately 1 in five perps would fit a diagnosis that we would likely have on our No Gun List.

certainly troubled, rejected, obsessed and more adjectives apply, but very few check the real boxes of mental illness. Not many have been hearing voices or the big stuff like that.

even so, I'm still 98.2% in favor of at least restoring funding for better detection of and treatment of mental health problems...but money won't change the stigma.

I'm off the soapbox.
delta1
7 years ago
I think dstieg is on to something...the 2nd amendment and the need to defend against our government are sham arguments perpetrated to disguise the real reason guns are so popular that they outnumber the population in America...they are a real blast to shoot...

many wannabe players aren't athletic enough to get adrenaline rushes doing anything physical...these fantasizing couch potatoes get their jollies off blowing several pounds of lead through hot tubes...it is primarily for the recreation of this segment of the population, and the dollars it generates, that the NRA and the gun makers it represents has become so powerful...

a second marketing prong by this industry is stoking fear...dehumanizing minorities and foisting a perception of racial animosity and impending race wars feed the fear...gun and ammo sales spike when racial unrest is in the news...
ZRX1200
7 years ago
So you’re racist now Al?
Speyside
7 years ago
There will always be grey area Frank. But we could have sensible laws none the less.
frankj1
7 years ago
can't argue that
tailgater
7 years ago

Tail, sensible legislation. Things like someone put is a psych ward for violent behavior, people with certain felony convictions such as murder, not Joe average.

Also a law that narrowly defines a class of illegal gun sales. Take of the Joe stirs the pot hat and look at the intent of what I said.

Speyside wrote:



I'm pretty sure people from a psych ward and felons can't purchase already.

And what do you mean by a "class of illegal gun sales"? Explain how there won't be grey area.

I'm not stirring anything. I just think generic terms like "common sense" or "sensible" mean nothing without substance.
tailgater
7 years ago



a second marketing prong by this industry is stoking fear...dehumanizing minorities and foisting a perception of racial animosity and impending race wars feed the fear...gun and ammo sales spike when racial unrest is in the news...

delta1 wrote:





Are you saying that gun and ammo sales don't spike when there is unrest that is not related to race?

You sure do love you some race bait, don't you?

Speyside
7 years ago
You would write specific types of weapons into the law. Such as automatic weapons, sawed off shot guns, hand grenades, nuclear bombs. There would be no grey areas. And be honest, you are trying to provoke reactionary conversation. It's your game. If not, then you are saying you don't have enough common sense to understand what a common sense law should be and you are not sensible enough to understand what a common sense law should be. Also, I would eliminate the myriads of useless laws. You are one of the devils best advocates. I will restate my death penalty stance so it is clearer for you since you lack the common sense to understand . Illegally selling illegal weapons should be a capital offense punishable by death. Illigally selling weapons should be punishable by death if if the weapons are knowingly sold illegally.

Sorry for posting something that would force you to think logically and critically at the same time. My bad. I'll try to keep it dumbed down for you.
DrafterX
7 years ago
I think there's already laws covering that stuff... 😟
tailgater
7 years ago

You would write specific types of weapons into the law. Such as automatic weapons, sawed off shot guns, hand grenades, nuclear bombs. There would be no grey areas. And be honest, you are trying to provoke reactionary conversation. It's your game. If not, then you are saying you don't have enough common sense to understand what a common sense law should be and you are not sensible enough to understand what a common sense law should be. Also, I would eliminate the myriads of useless laws. You are one of the devils best advocates. I will restate my death penalty stance so it is clearer for you since you lack the common sense to understand . Illegally selling illegal weapons should be a capital offense punishable by death. Illigally selling weapons should be punishable by death if if the weapons are knowingly sold illegally.

Sorry for posting something that would force you to think logically and critically at the same time. My bad. I'll try to keep it dumbed down for you.

Speyside wrote:



You really are looking for a fight here.
You say "automatic weapons".
So pistols will be verboten? You consider that common sense?

And I'll use the example I provided earlier: Little old lady Gertrude across the street loses her husband to cancer. He was a war hero and has half dozen guns plus ammo. She sells them to you for cheap because you've been a good neighbor for decades. Neither of you bother with the mandatory government forms maybe because 3 of the guns are unregistered "souvenirs" taken after combat with charlie. Plus, who would even know?
But now we have to kill her.


I'll say this: Your definition of "common sense" is different than mine, that's for sure.


DrafterX
7 years ago
Screw old lady Gertrude... 🤐
teedubbya
7 years ago
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