Speyside
7 years ago
Tail I would still include the exception for automatics manufactured before 1986. Since have not been legal to manufacture or buy here since then I doubt Gertie was selling an illegal weapon. If she had, I would think her lawyer would argue extenuating circumstances and she would be found not guilty. I imagine that the DA or ADA would drop the charges before they went to trail. I would want her to be charged. If she was guilty I would want her executed. You seem awfully interested in Gertie. Did your mom run guns for the IRA back in the day? Or do you have a fetish about hot senior citizen who sells illegal guns?
delta1
7 years ago
did some digging....seems the biggest driver of gun sales is efforts to pass gun control legislation...Obama's reign was the best period for gun manufacturers in US history...
tailgater
7 years ago

Tail I would still include the exception for automatics manufactured before 1986. Since have not been legal to manufacture or buy here since then I doubt Gertie was selling an illegal weapon. If she had, I would think her lawyer would argue extenuating circumstances and she would be found not guilty. I imagine that the DA or ADA would drop the charges before they went to trail. I would want her to be charged. If she was guilty I would want her executed. You seem awfully interested in Gertie. Did your mom run guns for the IRA back in the day? Or do you have a fetish about hot senior citizen who sells illegal guns?

Speyside wrote:



Yes. Tell your mom I got her gun right here.


tailgater
7 years ago

Tail I would still include the exception for automatics manufactured before 1986. Since have not been legal to manufacture or buy here since then I doubt Gertie was selling an illegal weapon. If she had, I would think her lawyer would argue extenuating circumstances and she would be found not guilty. I imagine that the DA or ADA would drop the charges before they went to trail. I would want her to be charged. If she was guilty I would want her executed. You seem awfully interested in Gertie. Did your mom run guns for the IRA back in the day? Or do you have a fetish about hot senior citizen who sells illegal guns?

Speyside wrote:



You're missing the point.
3 of Gertie's guns are already illegal.
So she is selling illegal weapons, and you want a law with automatic death.
Except if Gertie has a good lawyer. Otherwise kill her.

Yeah. The world will be safer.



tailgater
7 years ago

...Obama's reign was the best period for gun manufacturers in US history...

delta1 wrote:



That will be on his next apology tour.

DrafterX
7 years ago
Just saw somethin on the wife's Facebook thingabout Jim Jones killing 919 people with koolaid... where was the outrage against koolaid..?? 😕
Speyside
7 years ago
It would be safer. One less Gertie doesn't both me. Thousands of death due to illegal guns bothers me. I am not missing the point, you are making a different point. There still would be due process. There still would be extenuating circumstances. There still would be bench trials or jury trials. The Heritage foundation, which is a conservative think tank, states that approximately 80% of gun violence is caused using illegal guns. In 2018 aproximetly 80,000 gun related deaths. So approximately 64,000 gun related deaths were caused by illegal guns. I can't give you a statistical representation of what my idea would do if a law were impacted so let's use an extremely conservative estimate. Use the supposition that my idea eliminates 10% of the deaths due to illegal guns. That would equate to 6,400 people annually would not die due to illegal guns.

As to Gertie, I seriously doubt that any jury would convict her. But let's make an outrageous assumption. 100 Gerties are executed annually. Not so good for the Gerties, but you would have an annual net gain of 6,300 lives saved. So our world would be a safer place. I do think there would be a learning curve for the Gurties, the number executed would decrease hyperbolicly annually. So by year 3 say 4 Gurties are executed. Now approximately 6, 400 net lives are saved. I am good with the Gurtie executions.

If you want to debate the morality of executing the Gurties that would be a very valid debate that could be looked at from multiple dimensions that would lead to different conclusions.
DrafterX
7 years ago
Problem is that illegal guns on da streets number will rise substantially.. I'm not giving mine up... 😟
teedubbya
7 years ago
The kool aid didn’t kill anyone. The poison did however. I’m ok with controlling access to some poisons in quantity.

Face book is really good at marketing stupid ideas and dumbing people down.
DrafterX
7 years ago
It happened tho... I'm boycotting koolaid... 😟


Or maybe i should buy a truckload to sell on da black market after they ban it... 🤔
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

The kool aid didn’t kill anyone.

teedubbya wrote:


Oh ya?
tailgater
7 years ago

It would be safer. One less Gertie doesn't both me. Thousands of death due to illegal guns bothers me. I am not missing the point, you are making a different point. There still would be due process. There still would be extenuating circumstances. There still would be bench trials or jury trials. The Heritage foundation, which is a conservative think tank, states that approximately 80% of gun violence is caused using illegal guns. In 2018 aproximetly 80,000 gun related deaths. So approximately 64,000 gun related deaths were caused by illegal guns. I can't give you a statistical representation of what my idea would do if a law were impacted so let's use an extremely conservative estimate. Use the supposition that my idea eliminates 10% of the deaths due to illegal guns. That would equate to 6,400 people annually would not die due to illegal guns.

As to Gertie, I seriously doubt that any jury would convict her. But let's make an outrageous assumption. 100 Gerties are executed annually. Not so good for the Gerties, but you would have an annual net gain of 6,300 lives saved. So our world would be a safer place. I do think there would be a learning curve for the Gurties, the number executed would decrease hyperbolicly annually. So by year 3 say 4 Gurties are executed. Now approximately 6, 400 net lives are saved. I am good with the Gurtie executions.

If you want to debate the morality of executing the Gurties that would be a very valid debate that could be looked at from multiple dimensions that would lead to different conclusions.

Speyside wrote:



I find it difficult to believe that you'd want an otherwise law abiding citizen to face a death sentence for selling a gun that happened to fall into a confusing category of "illegal". Gertie is merely one example. There could also be a Mildred. Mildred Vanilli.

tailgater
7 years ago

Oh ya?

opelmanta1900 wrote:



=d> =d> =d> =d>
Speyside
7 years ago
I can understand and appreciate that Tail. But that is how I feel. Perhaps it is very shocking, but I think it would eliminate a large number of murders. Justice isn't always compassionate. Justice isn't always fair. But justice should always be consistent.
DrafterX
7 years ago
You're not going to take guns away from the bad guys
.. they will always find a way to kill... 😟
frankj1
7 years ago

Just saw somethin on the wife's Facebook thingabout Jim Jones killing 919 people with koolaid... where was the outrage against koolaid..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:


didn't happen in America
DrafterX
7 years ago
Started here... i saw the movie... 😟
frankj1
7 years ago
DrafterX
7 years ago
ZRX1200
7 years ago
So apparently Victor ran a false flag today at his local Walmart to get attention and further calls for gun control.
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