BuckyB93
6 years ago
And the way things are being torn down now because some small group finds them disrespectful to their cause, who knows about what could happen to these memorials.

In Boston, vandalism of the Columbus statue resulted in it being removed and put in storage. A petition of 10,000 signatures is leading the mayor to entertain the same idea for the statue of Abraham Lincoln. 10,000 signatures! You could probably get 10k signatures stating that the holocaust never happened.
delta1
6 years ago
yeah...I suppose that white nationalists could demand that we take down all of the WWII memorials, since they are offensive from their perspective...
DrafterX
6 years ago
And Mt Rushmore... which shoulda never been built anyways... 😟
frankj1
6 years ago

Interesting, was reading an analysis by an Egyptologist and the current argument is that the pyramids were not actually built by slave labor.

Now granted, she also had to acknowledge that they didn't actually have a currency at the time. So they weren't technically paid in cash.

victor809 wrote:


for cash, I'll knock off 10%.


I think Bucky missed this set up, and I got here late...

Anyway, years ago I had heard that contrary to the Book of Exodus, there are no surviving Egypian records of the Hebrews in Egypt
frankj1
6 years ago

And Mt Rushmore... which shoulda never been built anyways... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


I learned about that thanks to you.
frankj1
6 years ago

And the way things are being torn down now because some small group finds them disrespectful to their cause, who knows about what could happen to these memorials.

In Boston, vandalism of the Columbus statue resulted in it being removed and put in storage. A petition of 10,000 signatures is leading the mayor to entertain the same idea for the statue of Abraham Lincoln. 10,000 signatures! You could probably get 10k signatures stating that the holocaust never happened.

BuckyB93 wrote:


haven't personally spoken with one person wanting that Lincoln statue in Post Office Square removed, but it wasn't Lincoln that was the issue from what I have heard...it's the newly freed slave on all fours in front of him. Truly not sure how I'd have felt about that if my peoples were depicted that way and obviously that thought never occurred to me all the years I've lived near Boston.
I may have the story wrong though.

I don't think your first sentence presents the opposition accurately to several of the memorials either.

But I can say with some certainty that 10K signatures denying the Holocaust is well below the over/under in Vegas.
Abrignac
6 years ago

don't look at me...I used all my strength building the railroad...laundry is all I can handle nowadays

delta1 wrote:



If you want to include indentured servants in the mix then include the white Irish oyster shuckers. If you want to go further and include sharecroppers that brings my grand parents in the mix. Where’s my check? What’s that number for JG Wentworth?
Abrignac
6 years ago
I’m guessing there would be much less racism if there was much less segregationism. For sure every action there is an .....
Krazeehorse
6 years ago
Might be less racism if the race card wasn't played all the time. Or maybe just a mention of some personal responsibility for things once in awhile.
DrafterX
6 years ago
For the record I don't want Mt Rushmore destroyed... it was just an example of how ridiculous I think removing statues is.. if it happens tho we should have a national holiday celebrating the destruction of Mt Rushmore so everyone remembers what it represents... . 😟
victor809
6 years ago
"there would be less racism if people stopped pointing it out to me!"....

Yeah, that's about as great an analysis as "there's be less COVID if we didn't test for it!"
BuckyB93
6 years ago

If you want to include indentured servants in the mix then include the white Irish oyster shuckers. If you want to go further and include sharecroppers that brings my grand parents in the mix. Where’s my check? What’s that number for JG Wentworth?

Abrignac wrote:



Irish oyster shuckers? Don't forget about the Italian cork soakers

tailgater
6 years ago

"there would be less racism if people stopped pointing it out to me!"....

Yeah, that's about as great an analysis as "there's be less COVID if we didn't test for it!"

victor809 wrote:



Best part about your comment is that so many people DO believe that there is more covid based on the results from increased testing.


DrafterX
6 years ago
Ya, that's not debatable.. 😟
tailgater
6 years ago
wait for it...
delta1
6 years ago
The numbers, pervasiveness and persistence of black enslavement in the US far exceeds any other form...to suggest otherwise is like comparing an elephant to an anteater.

I'm not minimizing any form of slavery. We all agree that it is one of the most abhorrent of man's inhumanities to man.

Pointing the fingers of blame exclusively at the descendants of people who lived for 400 years in chains for their place in today's world is a convenient excuse to say, "it isn't my fault...I didn't own anybody...they've got their freedom and individual responsibility" and continue going about your business in a world that was built, partially by whites using slave labor, to ensure whites sat at the top of the heap.

Blacks inherited an uneven playing field...not equal in any sense...and discriminatory behavior by individuals, private businesses, local, state and federal governments continued long after the ink dried on those important documents that didn't have far reaching immediate impact. In many places, hearts got harder, not bigger. An example is exclusionary housing/zoning practices, which continue to exist today.

Fifty five years after the Civil Rights Act and fifty four years after the Voting Rights Act supposedly leveled the playing field...here we are, replaying decades old songs from an out-dated playlist. The difference today is that there are far more white people marching in the streets side-by-side with people of all colors, acknowledging that racism and inequality exists and demanding change.

This feels the same as the 60's and 70's, with some places talking about a 70's cure: affirmative action...are you kidding me? I thought that concept disappeared with disco dancing and fringed leather jackets...

But there is a difference, and that difference may be critical in making positive change permanent. White support across the land may be the difference maker.
DrafterX
6 years ago
Cause it's cool to rebel against da man.. and there's a free tv if you're in the place at the right time... 😟
tailgater
6 years ago

The numbers, pervasiveness and persistence of black enslavement in the US far exceeds any other form...to suggest otherwise is like comparing an elephant to an anteater.

I'm not minimizing any form of slavery. We all agree that it is one of the most abhorrent of man's inhumanities to man.

Pointing the fingers of blame exclusively at the descendants of people who lived for 400 years in chains for their place in today's world is a convenient excuse to say, "it isn't my fault...I didn't own anybody...they've got their freedom and individual responsibility" and continue going about your business in a world that was built, partially by whites using slave labor, to ensure whites sat at the top of the heap.

Blacks inherited an uneven playing field...not equal in any sense...and discriminatory behavior by individuals, private businesses, local, state and federal governments continued long after the ink dried on those important documents that didn't have far reaching immediate impact. In many places, hearts got harder, not bigger. An example is exclusionary housing/zoning practices, which continue to exist today.

Fifty five years after the Civil Rights Act and fifty four years after the Voting Rights Act supposedly leveled the playing field...here we are, replaying decades old songs from an out-dated playlist. The difference today is that there are far more white people marching in the streets side-by-side with people of all colors, acknowledging that racism and inequality exists and demanding change.

This feels the same as the 60's and 70's, with some places talking about a 70's cure: affirmative action...are you kidding me? I thought that concept disappeared with disco dancing and fringed leather jackets...

But there is a difference, and that difference may be critical in making positive change permanent. White support across the land may be the difference maker.

delta1 wrote:




It's funny.
People today, more than ever, want to erase history.
Tear down statues. Change holidays. Rename buildings, parks, bridges, roadways.

But those SAME people want to relive the slavery years. To blame the plight of today on what happened 5 generations ago.

History if funny. You can't pick and choose what you want it to be.
Yet here we are. Waiting for the social movement of the day to tell us what is right and wrong. What is acceptable or offensive.

Those participation trophies are really paying off.


delta1
6 years ago
the price of freedom is a 65"?

got a feeling the status quo would gladly pay that to every demonstrator supporting the cause if they would just go home...

some of them may not have a big enough wall for a 65"...then what?
DrafterX
6 years ago
Break and burn some more chit..?? 😕
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